Comparison build: 1/48 Monogram He-111 H, and ICM 1/48 He-111 H3, Stab/Stg.3 North Africa 1942/’43

Started by Louis Gardner · 207 · 5 years ago
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    Ferry Dierckxsens said 6 years, 1 month ago:

    Wow Louis, what a magnificent kit the ICM 111 is.
    A lot of work to build both the Monogram and the ICM as a comparison and for two GB's at the same time. I'll keep following your progress on both of the Heinkels, great stuff.

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    Robert Paschall said 6 years, 1 month ago:

    Awesome job Louis. But there is one detail on the Monogram that I personally prefer over the ICM kit, and that is that separate tail wheel! So much nicer than the one piece ones in most of today's kits!

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    Bernard E. Hackett, Jr. said 6 years, 1 month ago:

    Louis, the ICM has a complete bomb bay, unlike the Monogram. I'm wondering if it can be seen. I want to do mine as a B of B pathfinder, which operated bombless, usually. The outfit with the viking ship insignia.

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    Chuck A. Villanueva said 6 years, 1 month ago:

    The Monogram kit is still a great kit. I brought mine down to take a peek at it over the weekend, mine is the later variant, H-22, some minor differences than the H-4. Yes the cockpit doesnt' have as many pieces as the ICM kit. however the details are quite good and using your comparison side by side holds up pretty well. The Monogram kit has the seat belts molded onto the seat. What surprised me was a set of Aeromaster decals, and a set of EZ masks were in the box. It has been at least 10 years since I pop the lid on this kit in the stash. I must have picked up a couple of AM stuff for it over the years and plumb forgot. Telling you seeing those items I almost thought of maybe to start it. But I do have a lot planned already. I still haven't decided which kit to build for the Nose Art GB. And also I have not ever built an He-111 at anytime. So this one and a Hasegawa He-111P in 72nd scale is what I have currently. And may pickup an ICM kit as well down the road. Good stuff!

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    Louis Gardner said 6 years, 1 month ago:

    Yes Ferry, this ICM kit has been fabulous so far. I am very pleased with how it is engineered and how it is fitting so far. The older Monogram kit has been fun too...

    I wanted to build the Monogram kit at the same time, and now I am very glad I decided to do this. The only downfall is that I catch myself wanting to go ahead and keep building the one I am currently working on at the moment.

    Then I have to stop construction and switch gears back over to the other kit to try and keep them on par with each other as far as progress goes...

    Thank you for following along with the progress. I sincerely appreciate that... 🙂

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    Louis Gardner said 6 years, 1 month ago:

    Hello Robert ! Yes I agree with you in that having the separate tail wheel is a plus in my book. The Monogram kit doesn't have all of the little details as the ICM kit. I'm talking about things like two separate full engines, a bomb bay, more detailed interior and cockpit. But the Monogram kit is a faster build. I have had to stop myself several times now when building the Monogram kit. It just goes together very quickly. Personally, for me the Monogram kit is still a good one to build, even if it's 20-25 years old now.

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    Louis Gardner said 6 years, 1 month ago:

    Hello Bernard ! You are absolutely correct about the bomb bay. I just finished building it tonight, so stay tuned for some pictures ! I have seen that Viking ship Unit Insignia before in a decal set some place... Hopefully we will find out how much of the bomb bay can be seen once the fuselage is buttoned up on the ICM kit...

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    Louis Gardner said 6 years, 1 month ago:

    Hello Chuck ! How are you my friend ?

    I like both of these kits very much. I have a two more of the Monogram H-3 kits and the H-22 kit with the upper turret in the stash. I think there also is a V-1 Buzz Bomb included with the H-22 Pro Modeler kit. After building the Monogram version, I can say this kit is still a worthy addition to any collection. There are a lot of aftermarket decals available so one can build quite a few of them and still not have a duplicate paint scheme... You may even be able to find a set of decals with a nose art that would fit the bill for the new "Nose Art" GB ...

    I have noticed a few areas where I think the older Monogram kit looks better than the ICM kit. The pilot's control yoke "looks" more realistic, but I haven't compared this to any actual photographs. The separate tail wheel from the tail strut is nice too. Overall the older Monogram kit builds up rather well, and is a speedy build too...

    This is the 2nd and 3rd He-111 kits I have ever built. My first and only was the ancient Lindbergh kit back in the early 1970's...

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    Louis Gardner said 6 years, 1 month ago:

    Today I built the bomb bay for the ICM kit... It was not the next step in the assembly sequence. I jumped ahead since I wanted to get things ready to start spraying some RLM 66 and RLM 02 colors.

    The Monogram kit is almost ready to have the fuselage halves glued together. As soon as I spray these two colors, and detail the cockpit on the Monogram build, I can glue it together. (After that, there shouldn't be too much more work and the wings will go on it...).

    So here is how I built the Bomb Bay for the ICM kit...

    There are two identical plastic trees that have duplicated parts. These parts are mainly for the engines, props, ordnance and bomb bay areas. If you should decide not to build yours with the bomb bay, you can skip this step, as ICM has thoughtfully included a separate bomb bay door insert that models the doors closed, so you have options here.

    I started out by snipping the parts from the plastic trees. Take care when you do this as these parts are slightly different. After a few swipes with some wet or dry sand paper to remove the attachment points, these were ready to glue together.


    Here I have completed the two bomb cells. If you notice something odd here, it's because the He-111 carried the internal bomb load in a vertical position. The bombs were not carried horizontally as in most other planes. This also became a limiting factor when bombs started getting larger. If I'm not mistaken, when the Luftwaffe crews used the internal bomb bay, the size of the bombs were limited to a 250 Kg weight in each cell.

    Here the vertical bomb racks are done... Later Heinkel came out with a new bomb carrying fixture that allowed the He-111 to carry much larger bombs (and even Torpedoes), but they were mounted outside of the bomb bay and were simply hung under the fuselage.

    In this next photo, you will see that I have glued the vertical bomb bay cells to the bomb bay door opening insert that is mounted under the fuselage, between the wings...


    In this last photo, you can see how the bomb bay will look before the ordnance is added. There will also be a set of doors hanging vertically once this part is installed... These doors will be attached using the four rectangular holes on either side of the vertical storage openings.

    These parts fit together extremely well. In fact, I snapped the internal dividers in place against the outer walls. Then I simply glued the parts once they were in alignment...

    I'm getting ready to spray some RLM 66 and 02 colors soon. That will be the next step.

    As usual, comments are encouraged...

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    Bernard E. Hackett, Jr. said 6 years, 1 month ago:

    Woof! That is a complete bomb bay! Previously, the 72nd Roden early HE-111s had this detail, and I think the latest Airfix one. Perhaps their space problems came from the initial design as a supposed passenger plane. Luftwaffe, what Luftwaffe?

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    david leigh-smith said 6 years, 1 month ago:

    Really enjoying this series of posts, Louis. I'm not getting much/any time at the bench at the moment but this feels like building by proxy, definitely keeps me motivated.

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    David A. Thomas said 6 years, 1 month ago:

    Fantastic detail!

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    Paul Barber said 6 years ago:

    Hi Louis, I am catching up with all of the 'groups' stuff this evening, life has had me busy again - this is a really great idea - the comparison is just so interesting. I can't imagine too many imodelers would do this kind of WIP thread - not only is it a typically prolific 'Gardner moment' but also a sensational concept. In 2016 Eduard put out a 109 G6, Tamiya have just followed suit as you well know. Airfix vs Tamiya Mustang is an interesting match up too. I like the way your comparison draws out the positives in both kits - would the potential speediness of the Monogram be more attractive than the added detail of the ICM. For me the 'missing windows' would seal it! Thanks for doing this comparison - it will henceforth be compulsive viewing for me!

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    Tom Bebout said 6 years ago:

    Excellent detail on that bomb bay, and the fit of the pieces seems to be excellent as well.

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    Greg Kittinger said 6 years ago:

    Coming along nicely Louis! Fun to see the type of comparisons you can get when you do a Skunk Works build of multiple versions of the same subject. I'm getting up the nerve to try one myself...