Franz Stigler and Charlie Brown; a story for the generations. For Bernie.

Started by david leigh-smith · 385 · 5 years ago · 1/48, diorama, Luftwaffe, USAF, WW2
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    Tom Bebout said 5 years, 10 months ago:

    Looking good David, keep it going.

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    david leigh-smith said 5 years, 10 months ago:

    Plastic butchery. Well, Eduard - some consideration please for those who'd like to build a model 'wheels up'. I have spent a goodly (do people say that anymore?) part of the morning hacking and scraping and filing like Tim Robbins in the Shawshank Redemption.

    But, eventually...eventually, managed to get a fit.

    And able to get back on my scheduled goals for today.

    It's nice to be back on to aircraft after recent diversions into ships, tanks, submersibles, and a start on a helicopter. The great thing about comfort zones is that they are...comfortable.

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    Paul Barber said 5 years, 10 months ago:

    The Gustav is looking very nice David - your interior colours look spot on - just how you'd imagine the inside of an aircraft in battle.

    Let me divert you away from it again for a bit, because I have just had a 30 second google of WW2 music and I can report back from Wikipedia as a fully fledged expert...

    The officially sanctioned music of the Reich was Beethoven, Bruckner, and Wagner - preferably conducted by Herbert von Karajan and sung by Hans Hotter. Here he is post-war unleashing some Wagner (I lasted about 2 minutes of the 14 - without being too much of a 'philistine' this made me want to listen to Me262 by BOC again...)

    The most popular song in WW2 among all troops was of course Lili Marlene (much more palatable) but still not everyone's cup of Earl Grey. The post-war version is actually very emotional - she is clearly very touched singing it:

    Interestingly Lili Marlene was a poem written by a German-Jewish soldier during WW1. Lili Marlene was released in numerous languages and adopted by the Allies in Africa - where it was also an Africa Korps favourite. More evidence that the actual soldiers were tragically bonded more by their similarities than their differences.

    In 1938 the Nazis passed a racist law banning Jazz - unless for scientific research purposes (I know there is legitimate 'Jazz research' but that is hideous). However, bizarrely the propaganda machine of Goebbels put out a mocking jazz band 'Charlie and his Orchestra' - which was played to The United Kingdom and The United States - the following comes with the health warning that it is Nazi propaganda - so listen for historical interest if you choose.

    The Brits had their share of 'rousing tunes' - which were of emotional and social importance:
    'We'll meet again'
    'There'll Always be an England'
    'White Cliffs of Dover'

    Vera Lynn, and Flanagan and Allen led the way - more 'Blitz Spirit' than out-and-out quality in my view.

    But as is being shown on iModeler at the moment the winners were the Americans! My mother and father played these every Sunday lunch-time - even when I was a youngster some 30 years after the war: Johnny Mercer, Irving Berlin, The Andrews Sisters, Duke Ellington, Harry James, Jimmy Dorsey and course Glenn Miller. I never appreciated them then - do we ever enjoy our parents music as much as they do? In comparison and looking looking back they are the sound that represents that time.

    However, there has to be an exception to the rule - and HJM was that in most ways - his love of Jazz went against the edicts of his Nazi masters. So in order to redress the balance a little here is Hans Joachim Marseille's favourite, 'Rumba Azul' from the 30's by Lecuona Cuban Boys, which was played from morning to night on the day he died. I reckon you could build a 109 to this stuff!

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    david leigh-smith said 5 years, 10 months ago:

    What a comprehensive, educational, and completely bonkers post. Thanks, Paul - you are a prince amongst men!

    I loved the Rumba Azul - who would have thought I'd have something in common with the 'Star of Africa'!

    Thanks for the post, excellent material. Well, some of it...

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    david leigh-smith said 5 years, 10 months ago:

    Well, here's today's work so far. Never got around to Glenn and the Fortress, had to settle for Wagner and the Gustav (thanks to @yellow10). Little spit and polish and she'll be good for some primer. May get more done this evening, and I'm not at work tomorrow (is there a better feeling than waking on a Monday and having no school) so should get some more detailing done on the '17.

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    Morne Meyer said 5 years, 10 months ago:

    It looks GREAT. The music clips sure sets the mood!

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    david leigh-smith said 5 years, 10 months ago:

    Morne, I love your scratch building so I really appreciate the compliment. I'm hoping that tomorrow's B-17 detailing meets with your approval; I'm currently building an 'Elsan' toilet.

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    david leigh-smith said 5 years, 10 months ago:

    Managed to get a coat of primer on the 109 and she looks nice and clean. Toilet in place on the Fort.

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    Morne Meyer said 5 years, 10 months ago:

    Scratch building is a very rewarding aspect of our hobby. Sure is cheaper than resin or Photo etch goodies and has the added benefit of being your own creation. The Elsan toilet is a nice touch and add even more realism to your B 17. Well done!

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    Michel Verschuere said 5 years, 10 months ago:

    Great work David, following with interest! I like the schartchbuilding too although never done a loo to be honest...

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    david leigh-smith said 5 years, 10 months ago:

    Thanks, Michel, good to have you 'back'.

    I'm not planning to 'super-detail' either airplane so I'm not going 'all out' here; in terms of the B-17 I just want enough interest looking through the holed fuselage to create an illusion. I guess, as we all do. There'll be empty sections that will be buttoned up and hidden. Mostly I'm really just looking forward to painting both 'planes.

    First time for me making a loo, too, funnily enough...

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    Louis Gardner said 5 years, 10 months ago:

    Wow David,
    This has been a very productive weekend for you. The 109 is looking fantastic in primer.

    Meanwhile, I found these three photos that I took (some from inside a B-17) a little while ago... They should be appropriate for your scratch building... Probably a little overboard for scratch detailing, and too small to add, but I thought you would enjoy them...

    Go inside the rear crew side entry door, and turn a sharp left... That's where you would have found it. By the way, this rear entry step is a common missing item on many restored planes... This one still has it, and is rumored to be one of the most complete B-17's remaining.


    Look just ahead of the tail wheel...

    The "Elsan" wasn't there, but you could tell where it was...

    Take care my friend. I hope you enjoy your day off, and on our side of the "Pond" it's Father's Day.

    Happy Father's Day friend.

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    david leigh-smith said 5 years, 10 months ago:

    Cheers, Louis, appreciate the photos and comments. One of these days I'd like to go 'full bore' on a super-detail, but for now I'm building the skill base and working at techniques that feel a bit clumsy at the moment. For example, I made a couple of bulkheads last night but scrapped them, thinking, "would Morne settle for this?" - I think not so long ago I'd have definitely 'settled'.

    Anyway, off out for breakfast and then to the bench!

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    david leigh-smith said 5 years, 10 months ago:

    A main reason I like making long Build threads is that it gives the chance to discuss things that pop into my head while on the bench. As there's no-one (well, no-one that's interested) around, iModeler is a terrific place to share thoughts.

    One dilemma I sometimes think about is the delicate interplay of war, modeling, realism, and the depiction of bloodshed. Considering war (though the ages) accounts for most of our subjects, it's rare to see any explicit gore. Ironically you tend to see more in fantasy builds.

    In interviews Franz Stigler has talked about the sorrow and suffering he saw through the broken fuselage of the B17 and how he could clearly see the dead body of Sgt. 'Ecky' Eckenrode, the rear gunner of 'Ye Olde Pub', laying on the walkway.

    So I thought I'd depict this, but somehow I needed to cover his body (you see how this crazy hobby gets into your head) which is probably what happened anyway. So, with thoughts to 'Ecky', this is how the detailing of the mid section of the B17 is progressing; a couple of bulkheads and some wiring added, and build one or two other crew members.

    Should be able to move on to painting both aircraft at the weekend.

    1 attached image. Click to enlarge.

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    Paul Barber said 5 years, 10 months ago:

    David, I think this is actually a very difficult decision to make. Your recent breath-taking dio depicted death but not gore (albeit by a fraction of a second). My last build had some graves, and I thought long and hard about their inclusion. Some modellers, respectfully, won't put swastikas on their builds. And we have recently seen the powerful moment when a torpedo strikes, so expertly modelled. These considerations and the depiction of many other 'moments' in soldiers' lives will have been wrestled with in modellers' minds. But the explicit inclusion of a body and blood is different again. I remember seeing some powerful dio's with the last rites being read, bodies under tarpaulins and on stretchers, and figures modelled at the moment the fatal shot hit.

    For me your inclusion of the rear gunner is an intrinsic part of the story. The absolute disarray of the crew was central to Stigler's decision to be their unlikely escort. I think there was a description of the rear guns being hung with icicles formed in blood and some members of the crew huddled together resigned to their fate. Whatever conclusions people may draw I'd say it is a brave thing to include the lost airman, and that you have done it well, and clearly with respect and careful consideration.

    This WIP thread has been compulsive viewing from the start!