Side by side: Building the bf.109 G-6 Zvezda vs. Eduard

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  • Louis Gardner said 3 months ago:

    It looks like you have conquered the paint problem. They are looking great !!! Thanks for the updates. It should not be too much longer and you will have these two finished.

    Overall which one has been the best to build and which one would you recommend as far as fit and accuracy ????

  • Pedro L. Rocha said 3 months ago:

    Hey Louis! Yes, that paint issue was more or less overcome. I ended up repainting the entire wings of the Zvezda model, and resorted to paint a bit of Vallejo primer on the damaged areas in this one, the Eduard kit. It worked remarkably well, far better than I had expected.
    Answering to your question about which one I would recommend, I’d say Eduard simply because it builds better and the fit of parts is terrific. However Zvezda has the upper hand when it comes to all that you get in the plastic. The engine and the cockpit are some of the best OOB I’ve seen. The decals are the worst part. I will detail a bit more on this closer to the completion of the models. Thanks for the feedback!

  • Pedro L. Rocha said 2 months, 3 weeks ago:

    A quick update on the Zvezda model.
    All airframe camouflage has been applied, now time for some washes soon.
    Some subassemblies are also completed but the most visible, the engine, is still halfway done.
    To avoid further troubles with paint peeling I resort to repaint the entire wing surface and this time used Gunze 75, maintaing MRP 74. The wing crosses are decal, both up and down. These are from the Eduard box and are very thin, nice color density and sharp image, but also stick very fast to the surface, so take some care when handling them.
    I leave you with a few images. Thanks for stopping by!

    9 attached images. Click to enlarge.

  • david leigh-smith said 2 months, 3 weeks ago:

    This is a great thread, Pedro. Somehow I missed it despite having the Eduard G6 on my bench as part of a diorama. Your comparisons are spot on and really informative. Terrific work and I won’t miss the updates!

  • Pedro L. Rocha said 2 months, 3 weeks ago:

    Thank you David, glad you find it useful. This was just a good excuse to build me yet another couple of 109s 🙂 By the way, what diorama will that be?

  • david leigh-smith said 2 months, 3 weeks ago:

    Like anyone around here needs an excuse to build a 109…

    In my time modeling I have never painted on the sprue. As someone who does, what advantages to you fell you get? Just wondering if I’m really missing something here?

    The diorama I’m (slowly) working on is an in-flight build of the Franz Stigler/Charlie Brown story/event. imodeler.com/groups/work-in-progress-aircraft/forum/topic/franz-stigler-and-charlie-brown-a-story-for-the-generations/

    Hope you are well, Pedro.

  • Pedro L. Rocha said 2 months, 3 weeks ago:

    David, you have a sharp eye for big details my friend… I don’t usually go about painting parts while still attached to the sprues, but Zvezda has their 109 G designed to have the engine exposed as you can see in the photo, and the 2 cowling halves are easier (at least to me) to paint while still on the sprue tree and simply remove them only when all engine parts and bits are in their proper place, since they are the last detail to be assembled in that area of the model. The sprue connectors are thin so cutting, sanding and painting the small bare plastic visible after should be effortless. In the end the handling of those parts is a lot easier and safer. Any kit part that requires one or more parts attached so has to become one piece, like for example upper and lower wings, etc, those I go the usual route, painting only after all is completely assembled.
    BTW, your diorama will take a lot of a number of things…Time+Research+Space to display it, mental health, etc, etc ;-). Looking forward to it, will follow your thread with interest

  • david leigh-smith said 2 months, 3 weeks ago:

    Thanks for explaining that, Pedro, I’m going to try that approach as one aim I have for this year is producing at least one ultra ‘clean’ build where handling will be a key area to get right.

  • Pedro L. Rocha said 2 months, 3 weeks ago:

    if there is a rule that one needs to follow all time while building the Zvezda 109 is always dry fit every single part before glue.
    Guess what? I didn’t follow it. That left me with a huge problem in hands, the engine mount is too far ahead of where it should be. this produces the gap you see in the photo, and I don’t think pushing the engine wall further inside the fuselage will be a good thing to do. Yes it should place the engine in the right measure but will most likely crack open the entire fuselage and, most likely also, screw up the cockpit.
    Guess I’ll sleep over this tonight and see what is the best approach to solve this.
    any feedback is appreciated

    2 attached images. Click to enlarge.

  • Louis Gardner said 2 months, 3 weeks ago:

    It’s too bad this has happened. But it might be easier to fix it should you decide to go on a slightly different route.

    If you posed the upper engine panels open, it would probably be very hard to notice the gap. Plus it would show off the engine which looks great on the Zvevda kit.

    I would seriously consider displaying this 109 with the panels open showing off the internals.

    Just my 2cents.

    How hard is it going to be to cut the upper engine cowling along the hinge lines ??? You can easily fabricate a support rod for each side with some round stock or possibly even with some heated stretched out plastic sprue materials.

    The new Tamiya 109 has two different panels and one is molded in the open position.

    I found this photo online and it looks great this way.

  • david leigh-smith said 2 months, 3 weeks ago:

    Great thinking, Louis and lovely photo.

  • Pedro L. Rocha said 2 months, 3 weeks ago:

    Louis,
    All you say makes perfect sense, but the fact is that the engine panels are separed and are meant to be posed exactly like the Tamiya model you show. It’s the second 109 from this maker where I just can’t get the engine assembled correctly, the first was the Friedrich version, and ended up closing all panels.

    On to this one, unfortunately the gap is very visible, say around 3 mm.
    Right now the only solution that comes to my mind is cutting some extent of the rear of the engine, glueing the upper panels but still leaving the radiator panel on the open/down position. It’s the best solution next to complete closed panels…But thanks for the input my friend, and you are right about the shame it will be to get the engine out of the way, blame it on me 🙂

  • Pedro L. Rocha said 2 months, 1 week ago:

    Time for a quick update on the Zvezda kit.
    Work on the engine is going slowly but steady. As you can see the engine only needs some plumbing added to look like any AM expensive product.
    The issue, once all engine parts are glued and painted accordingly, will be the fit.
    Now this is no kit problem, by all means. My fault because I sh loud have dry tested the whole engine assembly before coming to this latter stage of the build. On the other hand, this kit is not very forgiving so any less careful move can result in a less perfect fit of parts… a bit like Wingnuts engineering for those you know what I mean.
    Despite this I am very happy with the kit so far, found it the best looking 109 I made till now.
    More soon and then off to complete the Eduard kit. Thanks for stopping by!

    2 attached images. Click to enlarge.

  • Greg Kittinger said 2 months, 1 week ago:

    Looking fantastic

  • Louis Gardner said 2 months, 1 week ago:

    Greg is right !!! This is looking fantastic. Now it reminds me of some photos I have seen of 109’s without the engine installed. Maybe this would be a good one to use for a Luftwaffe maintenance diorama ????

    Well done my friend………… The mottling on the fuselage sides looks very convincing. It’s hard to get to look just “right” but you have done a bang up job on it.

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