Dual Corsair Build

Started by Brian Mennenoh · 130 · 1 year ago
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    Louis Gardner said 1 year, 5 months ago:

    Brian Mennenoh (@brithebuilder)
    Normally I start by doing some research into the unit the plane was assigned to. Sometimes you can get lucky and they will have the bureau number listed along with a picture if you are lucky enough to find one. Yes it could be that simple as far as the bureau number goes. Quite often, they would simply use the last 3 digits of the bureau number on the side of the fuselage. The same numbers would often be applied to the front of the landing gear "dive brake" doors, often using Black paint. Occasionally they would shorten it down to use only the last two digits from the Bureau Number.

    John vd Biggelaar (@johnb)
    Yes this particular Corsair would have had the window. I have read where these bombing windows were painted over, but in every picture I have seen of overturned Corsairs, these windows remained as is and were left clear.





    Here are some of the planes I found that were left "as is". In all of my Corsair pictures, I have yet to run across one that was either painted over or replaced with metal.

    I think what happens here most of the time when someone sees a Corsair without the bombing window, it's a simple mistake of having the incorrect bureau number. These ground crews were more often concerned with keeping these planes serviceable, especially in the Solomon's theater .

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    Brian Mennenoh said 1 year, 5 months ago:

    @tcinla - Great article Tom, definitely love your writing style... matter of fact with a 'hint' of sarcasm thrown in.

    @lgardner - Also much appreciated information. I haven't found anything specific to VMF-111, No. 122 yet, which seems surprising since it was the only aircraft of WWII that received a citation in it's own name. I am going with the Tamiya instructions on the paint colors... except for the white wheel wells.

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    John vd Biggelaar said 1 year, 5 months ago:

    @lgardner, thanks a lot, Louis. This is very valuable information.

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    Louis Gardner said 1 year, 5 months ago:

    John vd Biggelaar (@johnb)
    Glad to help.

    Brian Mennenoh (@brithebuilder)
    Here's some very interesting information on the Corsair you want to build, the 100 mission Corsair. It's listed on the "Warbird Information Exchange".

    http://www.warbirdinformationexchange.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=52029

    They also have a possible Bureau number listed for the airframe as 17813. If this is true, then your plane definitely had the bombing window.

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    Louis Gardner said 1 year, 5 months ago:

    440115 FG-1 13312 VMF-111 Tutuila Airfield Underwood, Tutuila Airfield
    440413 FM-2 15379 VMF-111 Makin Island N/A Roi-Namur Island, Kwajalein Atoll
    440708 FG-1A 14088 VMF-111 SMAW Makin Island Anderson, Carl J. Espirtu Santo, Turtle Bay Airfield
    440829 F4U-1 50184 VMF-111
    Moore, J. F. Makin Atoll, off
    441008 F4U-1A 50171 VMF-111
    450228 F4U-1D 57311 VMF-111 4th MAW
    Marcusson, P A Jr. Eniwetok Atoll, Engebi Island
    450801 F4U-1D 57398 VMF-111 MAG-94
    Johnson, Edwin W. _ Legaspi

    This is more information showing some of the bureau numbers for various Corsairs that were flown by VMF-111 during the time they were flying Corsairs. This is a partial list for some of the Corsairs they flew that were involved in an accident of some kind or lost for some reason.

    The accident dates are listed on the left side. The aircraft type is next, followed by the bureau number. The unit VMF-111 is next, followed by the pilot's name (if known) and where the accident occurred is last.

    As far as the colors go for this one... if it is indeed a Vought built Corsair, and in the 17813 range, I would go with the Indian Red primer we often hear called "Salmon" for inside of the rear fuselage, near the tail wheel areas. The inside portion of the landing gear doors would have been White, including the tail wheel doors. The cockpit interior section would likely have been a Dull Dark Green, with some Black used in some places, like the seat, armor plate and the sidewalls. This is especially true when the plane has been in service. The interior of the engine cowling would probably have been a Light Gray color, and the landing gear could have been Light Gray or possibly even White. The main wheels could have been a painted Aluminum color, Light Gray or even White. But they would have became very dirty from brake dust, and the effects of operating from a dirt runway made partly of crushed coral.

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    Louis Gardner said 1 year, 5 months ago:

    Crash Date: 440609
    Aircraft Type: FG-1
    Bureau Number: 13122
    Squadron: VF OTU #3
    Unit: _
    Home Base: NAS Green Cove Springs
    Action Code: LACGL - Landing ACcident causing a Ground Loop
    Damage Code: B - Major overhaul required to repair
    Pilot: Holloway, John A. Jr.
    Country: USA - United States
    State: FL
    Location: NAAF Palatka
    Reel Number: 12
    Remarks: Gunnery Tow

    Here's one last possibility. This one is a Goodyear built Corsair. It was damaged not too far from my home in Palatka, FL. It was based at NAS Green Cove Springs.

    Many of these Pacific veteran airframes were returned to the States, and used to train new pilots.

    If the 100 mission Corsair actually used the last 3 digits from the Bureau Number, as the fuselage number "122", this one fits the bill.

    This one is a possibility, but not confirmed.


    I was able to zoom in on the original picture that was included at the Warbird Information Exchange, and the Bureau Number indeed looks to be 17813, or something very close to it. The first two numbers definitely look like a 17, but it's hard to make out the rest.

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    Spiros Pendedekas said 1 year, 5 months ago:

    Amazing research, my friend @lgardner!

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    Brian Mennenoh said 1 year, 5 months ago:

    @lgardner - Holy cow Louis! Thank you so much for that research. When I was attempting to do some research I never came across the War Bird Information Exchange... what a fantastic source! I truly appreciate it and can't thank you enough. Unfortunately, the cockpit is already fully painted and detailed. I can likely paint the armor wall behind the seat but the seat itself already has the seatbelts installed... hmmm, maybe I can peel the belts off and then use the pilot. That could work... I will definitely add the salmon color in the rear fuselage. Regardless, the information and research you've provided is incredible! Thanks again!

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    Brian Mennenoh said 1 year, 5 months ago:

    OK, Vought F4U-1D, VBF-6, No. 2, carrier HANCOCK is complete. I'm keeping this one clean, like she's brand new.

    Now to finish the F4U-1A... hopefully my LHS will have AS-8 back in stock tomorrow. I called yesterday and they were hopeful. I should still be able to paint the AS-20 (insignia white) and the AS-19 (intermediate blue) regardless.

    5 attached images. Click to enlarge.

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    John vd Biggelaar said 1 year, 4 months ago:

    This is a fine looking Corsair, Brian @brithebuilder
    A brand new, just delivered, aircraft.

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    Spiros Pendedekas said 1 year, 4 months ago:

    Looking super, my friend @brithebuilder!

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    gary sausmikat said 1 year, 4 months ago:

    Well done, Brian. The folded wings came out nice. I like the tug and crewman.

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    Brian Mennenoh said 1 year, 4 months ago:

    @johnb, @fiveten, @gwskat - Thank you very much gentlemen! I appreciate it. I really like the look of this being so high contrast and clean. Hopefully I can pick up some AS-8 today for the F4U-1A. I feel like the color variation is going to look really interesting when they are on display together.

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    Brian Mennenoh said 1 year, 4 months ago:

    I picked up some AK Camouflage Elastic Putty at my LHS today. Still out of AS-8, hopefully tomorrow, but the Camo putty is just expensive black silly putty. I thought it may be better than silly putty and it may sag a little less, but it feels the same and seems to work very similarly.

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    Brian Mennenoh said 1 year, 4 months ago:

    OK, so the AK camo putty is the same as silly putty. Sags the same and everything.