Monogram 1/48 F-117A Stealth Fighter ”High Tech” with photo etch parts, Toxic Avenger

Started by Louis Gardner · 38 · 4 years ago · 1/48, F-117 Stealth, Monogram
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    Louis Gardner said 4 years, 1 month ago:

    I have sprayed several layers of gloss clear on top of the model in an attempt to salvage these horrible decals. As my luck would have it, the decals have now wrinkled and lifted even more and are too far gone to save. Now I will have to locate a set of Desert Storm decals in order to save this build... The model itself looks fine, it's just a matter of replacing the decals, and then it will be done.

    Here are a few pictures to show how bad they really look. In some places the decals have almost lifted completely off the surface.




    On these next two pictures I tried to show the same decal from a slightly different angle to show how horrible these look.


    As always, comments are encouraged.

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    Spiros Pendedekas said 4 years, 1 month ago:

    Pity about the decals Lewis @lgardner. I bet you'll find replacements quite soon.
    I understand you'll have to repaint the affected areas?

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    Erik Gjørup said 4 years, 1 month ago:

    Louis, what a bugger. Happy hunting for the replacements.

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    Louis Gardner said 4 years, 1 month ago:

    Spiros, @fiveten
    I just realized that I never fully responded to your last posting. Lately I have been thinking a LOT about building up my 1/48 scale Monogram B-1... but I need to get a set of replacement exhausts for it, and possibly a set of wheels, as I just realized that mine are a mix of rubber and plastic parts. Does anyone have any experience with these ? I know that on my Ertl / AMT F7F Tigercat, the tires ate into the plastic. I don't know if this could happen on the B-1 or not.

    I'll also need a new set of decals for it too. I might just bite the bullet and get a set for the B-1 and this F-117 at the same time. Time will tell. Then if you want to, we can build our 1/32 Revell He-219's, our Ki-45 Toryu kits and now a pair of Monogram bombers together. But first I must locate a set of decals for the Stealth, and go from there.

    As far as painting the jet again, I will most likely remove the old decals first, then give the airframe a good wet sanding with some 2000 grit or finer sandpaper, and then give it another gloss coat. Should I break through the black paint, instead of gloss, I will paint the black over again, and start with a fresh blank canvas.

    Erik, @airbum
    You must have been super excited to see a pair of B-1 jets flying in your air space ! I would have been too... I remember several years ago we had a B-1 escorted by a pair of F-15's flying low and slow over our house... and what a sight that was ! It was part of the flight that was put on over the Daytona 500 NASCAR races which are held nearby. We typically see some nice stuff flying around during the races. They are on constant patrol since the 9/11 attacks. Sad that we need to do this now, but it is so nice to see ...

    Yes this is a real bugger, but I will prevail ! If I can manage, I will try to build a Mosquito for your De Havilland group build. I have a certain 1/48 scale Tamiya PRU Mossy kit that has been calling me for ages...

    Thanks my friends for sticking around and for leaving your comments.

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    Robert Royes said 4 years, 1 month ago:

    Decals ,sometimes the weakest link, One of my biggest nemesis considering all the old kits that I do. never saw a live B-1, must be a terrific site. I did see a B-2 come into NAS Willow Grove some years ago.
    @lgardner.

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    Chuck A. Villanueva said 4 years, 1 month ago:

    Don't worry about the decals Louis will send ya a set with stencils. We talked about this last weekend.

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    Spiros Pendedekas said 4 years, 1 month ago:

    Hi Louis @lgardner!

    It would be nice to build the B-1s together!

    As well as the Uhus!

    Regarding the B-1 kit, I 've read that the kit exhausts resemble the "early style" ones. Since the kit provided decals allow you to build an early style (fantastic looking) three color scheme bird, building mine OOB with the early scheme and the "early" exhausts might be OK!

    I've read that there are some other omissions and oversimplifications, but I'll deal with them along with the build.

    Regarding the rubber tyres, what I do is to coat well the rim with a Future AFTER painting and weathering it. I had the idea that since future seals everything, it might seal the plastic, so the rubber will not eat it. I also coat the inner rubber mating surface with Future. I have applied this technique at my 1/32 Revell F-15 and F-18, 15 years ago, and the wheels are intact!

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    Louis Gardner said 4 years, 1 month ago:

    Robert @roofrat
    It was very cool to see a B-1 fly over our house... They did this several times, and unfortunately I didn't have a camera or my cell phone available when it happened. Back then I didn't own a "smart" phone, and the batteries were dead on my digital camera. That's how it goes sometimes. I have seen a B-2 do several fly overs too, in a similar occasion to how the B-1's did. What's surprising, is how BIG these planes are... Both the B-1 and the B-2 are huge.

    Chuck, @uscusn
    Yes I know we have talked about the decals several times now, with the first time being about a month ago. I don't want to inconvenience you, or seem like a pest. Whenever you can send them, that will work for me. I will send you the 1/48 scale FA-18 decals in return. I sincerely appreciate this kind gesture my friend.

    Spiros, @fiveten
    I just ordered some resin parts for my 1/48 Monogram B-1 ! Once they arrive I will be able to start on building it. I will wait for you so we can build these two planes together. Here are the parts I ordered for it from Barracuda.
    The intake set


    and the late style exhaust cans.

    I also have a newer tool 1/32 scale Mk-1 Spitfire made by Revell. I have previously obtained a set of 5 spoke wheels for it.

    I wanted to get the wing correction set, so I pulled the trigger on these parts too.

    I'm hoping to get a set of decals for the B-1, for a plane in overall "Gunship Gray". Once I do, I'll have everything needed. I'm going to take your advice and try the Future on the wheel sets.

    Thanks again for the comments everyone.

    Stay safe.

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    Josh Patterson said 4 years, 1 month ago:

    I wonder what it is about the B-1 and F-15 that they keep the outer covers of the nozzles removed where on the F-14D and F-16 they're always present? Is there something about the proximity of the two engines right next to each other? I posted my B-1 about one year ago. The rubber tires are fine. Also I still have the landing gear from the B-1 I built back in 1990. Also no reaction to the plastic. (Although even though both planes are the same boxing, bought 20 years apart, the nose gear tire was too big on my original build. I was worried about it on the one I just did but IT fit just fine!) Go through my build thread on it and you will see it is possible to build it with zero filler! (I show exactly where the fit issues are and how to fix them. Be aware some 150 grit was utilized for shaping! If anything's unclear, you have my number!) Also I'd like to add my F7F wheels are also just fine and it's been built for six or seven years now although on my unbuilt kit one tire left an impression from laying on a wing panel. (Fortunately on the inside surface.)

    ALSO! Your F-117 post is very timely as TWO just flew into Miramar yesterday! If a few are out flying around I wish one could make a final airshow tour next year. I'd really like to see one in the air one more time! I am starting Tamiya's version of The Toxic Avenger soon. (Also, my favorite Nighthawk as I am a fan of Lloyd Kaufman's Troma films!)

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    Louis Gardner said 4 years ago:

    Hey Josh, @jpatt1000
    It's great to hear from you. I wonder if the F-15 and the B-1 use the same engines ? The exhaust cans look to be very similar if not identical, especially when you remove the turkey feathers.

    I am getting excited about starting the B-1 build. It will be soon, and our friend Spiros @fiveten
    just might be joining in with building his Monogram kit too. How cool will that be ?

    I will definitely have your cell number at the ready, in case I run into problems when this project gets the green light. I have already looked at what you have posted here on Imodeler, and these are all some great tips. I'm going to try and use the kit supplied wheels. I have yet to check them for fit. If there's a problem, I'll have no resort other than to pull the trigger, and buy a set of resin replacements from Roy.

    Talk about perfect timing... I have only seen one F-117 in the air, so you are lucky to see TWO of them at once. Now that's VERY cool...

    Please stay tuned, as I have a very important update. With photos to follow.

    Thanks !

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    Louis Gardner said 4 years ago:

    If you have been following this build, by now you have realized there was a major problem with how the kit supplied decals worked out. These have to be the absolute worst set of decals I have ever used in all of the models I have built, during my entire life !

    Luckily, a good friend, Chuck Villanueva @uscusn

    has sent me some replacements. They arrived in the mail yesterday.


    Chuck was kind enough to send me the partial decal set from his 1/48 Tamiya F-117, so I can still build mine up as the Toxic Avenger, since this is one of the options provided by Tamiya right from the box.

    He also sent me some very nice leftover decals from a Caracal set for the F-117. These will be put to good use for sure.


    So now without a doubt, I will be able to finish up the Night Hawk...

    So I started stripping off the old ones. At first I used tape, but since these were glued down effectively using Future floor acrylic, they left some nasty marks behind in the paint. The Future had taken the shape of the wrinkled decals, and dried in this manner. I had no choice but to carefully sand off this remaining clear acrylic residue. You can see the "flat" spots in this next picture where the model has been sanded down to where the surface is now smooth.


    The V tail fins needed a lot of sanding... and since they were mounted, I decided to carefully remove them. After a little work, I had both of them off the main airframe, where I could sand them more evenly while they laid flat on a regular surface. I had to do this in order to keep from breaking something. It seems counter intuitive to break something in order not to break if worse accidentally... I also removed the nose wheel door, for the same reasons.

    Here are the fins after they were sanded smooth and polished some.


    The painted area around the canopy on the Starboard side broke through into the white base coat I had used for the inside color on the canopy. So tonight I touched it up, using Gloss Black enamel.

    I will allow this fresh paint to dry overnight, and then I'll start applying the new decals tomorrow. Then it should go together quickly, and should be done soon afterwards.

    I want to send a big shout out, saying "Thank You", to our good friend Chuck Villanueva. He is one of the many good people we are fortunate enough to have registered here on Imodeler. We seem to help each other out when we can. In the past I have sent parts and various decal sets out to others, and now it's being repaid in kind. This is not the first time someone has helped me out along the way... You know who you are and again I thank you.

    And I will continue to help others when I can too. Pay it forward if you will.

    Without his kindness, this plane would most likely still be sitting still. He provided the push I needed to get it done.

    As always, comments are encouraged.

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    Robert Royes said 4 years ago:

    A great save!

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    Spiros Pendedekas said 4 years ago:

    Kudos to our good friend Chuck @uscusn! He is a wonderful guy, as many others here!

    Nice save on the decal situation, Louis @lgardner! You remedial actions seem to work perfectly!

    Eagerly waiting to see this imposing (black) bird converging to its amazing posture!

    Regarding the B-1 (and F-15) turkey feathers removal, I have read (and I agree) that they removed them to save weight and money (they were expensive); the aerodynamic penalty was not that notorious.

    I don't know why the did not the same at other planes with the same or similar engines.

    B-1Bs have GEs and F-15s have PWs, so turkey feather removal was done not only at one type of engine...

    About the kit: I have the 2006 release, providing decals for the early tricolor scheme, which is a scheme I love.

    "Early" B-1Bs seem to have the turkey feathers installed, so the kit provided nozzles, which are the B-1A nozzles, can be shortened by about 1/4 inch and provide a fair (not entirely correct) early B-1B representation. So, it all works to my "El Cheapo" style benefit 🙂 ...

    I went on Josh's @jpatt1000 B-1 article and I will definitely use it as a reference! And, Josh, I hope you won't mind if I may PM you to ask a question or two, should they arise!

    All the best, my friends, and I am waiting for the starting bell for the B-1 build, Louis!

    Hit it and off we go, Sir! And it will be really exciting!

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    Erik Gjørup said 4 years ago:

    Lined up for a happy ending! Great stuff.

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    Josh Patterson said 4 years ago:

    The B-1 uses the F101 , the F110 was derived from it and is very similar one of the main differences being that it has three fans on the bypass section while the 101 only has two. I did have to look it up as I was also assuming from the turkey feathers that the Air Force said "Hey, we have this great engine, let's use it in everything!".