1/72 Frog DH110 Sea Vixen FAW2

Started by George Schembri · 63 · 3 years ago
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    Erik Gjørup said 3 years, 11 months ago:

    Wow George (@georgeswork), that was some nasty gaps. Looks like your many sessions got them sorted though.

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    Spiros Pendedekas said 3 years, 11 months ago:

    Wow, what a gap filling triumph, George @georgeswork!
    And what a departure from the "original" fit!
    Looking great!

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    George Schembri said 3 years, 11 months ago:

    Okay...not impressed!

    The model was washed for oils and any sanding residue and White Primer was sprayed.

    The Model Master White Primer gave great coverage and coated the model very well.

    After drying for over 36 hrs, the primer started to FLAKE off for some reason.

    Just tapping with the point of an Exacta blade took off a bunch of paint chips; didn't even apply any Tamiya masking tape - just started flaking.

    Pretty much all other areas the Primer bonded very well and no problem, can't see why this happened.

    Sanded the rough edges down with 600/800 prepping for more Primer.

    Never had that happen before - another reason added to the list of why I really do not like painting White.

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    Erik Gjørup said 3 years, 11 months ago:

    WHAT - that was a strange thing George. I can not see why that happened at these locations. Very strange indeed. I generally use Tamiya primer, white from a can, grey with an airbrush, and have yet to see it fail (as far as I recall, that is). Oh, well, you are on it - fingers crossed that the second round will be a complete success.

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    Spiros Pendedekas said 3 years, 11 months ago:

    Who knows why this happened, George?
    At least it's not difficult to respray and move along!

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    Allan J Withers said 3 years, 11 months ago:

    What a bugger George ! was that enamel or acrylic ?

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    George Schembri said 3 years, 11 months ago:

    Thanks again gentlemen,

    — Spiros @fiveten

    — Erik @airbum

    — Allan @kalamazoo, the primer is Model Master 4622 with no thinning. I have used this paint/jar before with great results. It must be the plastic surface but I don't know why.

    But the 600/800 sanding went well as did the primer recoat.

    I used Model Master 4696 Gloss White for the upper surfaces and was very happy with the application and the nice sheen of the paint.

    I taped up the model for the Painting of wing tips and boom/tail with Tamiya Red XF-7.

    Then it happened again! The Tamiya Masking wasn't on for more than 20 minutes but large sections of paint came flaking off. UUGGHH!

    I can deal with the bottom surfaces as I will be painting that are Yellow and Black. The Starboard boom is the problem area as I will need to repaint with white and red as the paint peeled of on both sides of the taping.

    Considering the amount of taping required for the bottom surfaces I am tempted to just chip off all the White Primer and apply the Yellow directly in fear of the Primer peeling elsewhere.

    Pretty frustrating, but I'll take it as a minor setback as I need to show this kit who's the boss!

    Added a photo of expected finish - Whatever finish I chose, Navy or Target Tug I would have used this Primer on the model and would have had the same problem.

    A good challenge to start the New Year.

    Since the whole model was being primed, I guess I should have used an enamel/lacquer paint with the Paasche H-1 tip, live and learn I guess.

    Back to sanding and some flake testing with an Exacto.

    Looking at the XF-7, it might be a little too dark and will need to repaint with a lighter shade.

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    Allan J Withers said 3 years, 11 months ago:

    At this point George if it was me I'd strip it back to plastic and start over ! ----- I like your chosen scheme.

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    Spiros Pendedekas said 3 years, 11 months ago:

    Pity about your mishap, George.
    Great that you'll show the kit who the boss is!
    I agree with Allan, the chosen scheme is AMAZING!

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    Erik Gjørup said 3 years, 11 months ago:

    George (@georgeswork), what a fighting spirit to start 2021 with! Keep fighting back - it is going to be a great scheme.

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    George Schembri said 3 years, 11 months ago:

    After going over the complete model, I must be the plastic is the issue.

    Areas with putty had great adhesion with he primer. The sanded areas had decent adhesion.

    The Gloss White and Red sealed the primer and created a toughtop coating.

    The plastic itself reminds me of the old 'bakelite' plastic smilar to old electrical boxes.

    Once I got under the primer most of the paint simply peeled off, other areas need i little bit of chipping to make the paint flake off.

    The paint on the main fuselage and nose were well coated with he Gloss white and I left these areas alone as I was worried about chipping the plastic during paint removal which would have made matters worse.

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    Spiros Pendedekas said 3 years, 11 months ago:

    Onto the remedial actions, George @georgeswork!
    It does seem plastic is the issue.
    Looking forward to your progress!

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    Erik Gjørup said 3 years, 11 months ago:

    What a letdown. Rather annoying for you to have all that work, but as you say the plastic may well be the real problem. If you have any available, an aerosol can with Tamiya white primer may do the trick?

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    George Schembri said 3 years, 11 months ago:

    — Spiros @fiveten

    — Erik @airbum

    — Allan @kalamazoo

    Yeah, this is taking a lot of time and effort, way more than expected. But, I would rather have this happen on an old Frog kit than a new expensive Tamy-Gawa kit. Good to learn.

    Luckily I was not able to watch my Pittsburgh Steelers play (and lose) as I had no signal on my HDTV antenna, so I had some time to strip down the model. Washed down the complete model with warm water and a little dish soap, rinse off and dry about few cycles to make sure there was no soap residue.

    I decided to put on the boxing gloves with this plastic bonding issue and go to with a new paint product test, 'new' for my hobby experience.

    Call me crazy but I'm gonna try out Rust-Oleum Painter's Touch Primer which is an oil-based spray enamel paint, sprayed directly from the can.

    I have used this specific type of paint on almost a dozen different paint projects - not related to hobbies - and the paint goes on easily and finishes excellent and I have experienced impressive bonding on wood, aluminum and plastics. A bit chancy with spraying from the can but I have used this product enough to know what to expect, and you cannot beat the clean-up process as there won't be any apart from putting the cap back on the spray can.

    Step #1: Check on some kit spare parts to make sure the cans propellent does not cause any plastic melting and check the dried finish - DONE, very nice thin coat applying with no runs.

    Step #2: Check on Previously Acrylic paint kit components to ensure no peeling or bubbling - DONE

    Step #3: Broadcast spray entire model with thin double coat and let dry for a couple of days -Looks Good!

    As of now, I'm happy with the primer coating. Since it appears to be an enamel, the paint is drying to a nice thin coating and I'll let the model dry for a least 24 hrs. Surface looks good with no dust or plastics particles/bumps on the paint surfaces

    Looks pretty good actually. I scrape tested the spare kit parts and the primer has great adhesion. I tested the spare parts painted surface after they dried overnight, using some high stick mylar tape and nothing came of with the removed tape.

    I think this will work and not peeling during masking is expected. The only concern I can think of is applying acrylic over the primer but I think I'll test the acrylic on the painted Spare parts before painting the complete model.

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    Spiros Pendedekas said 3 years, 11 months ago:

    Nice remedial action, George @georgeswork! That stubborn old plastic found its mentor!
    Looking forward to your camo!