B29 Help needed.

Started by neil foster · 12 · 10 years ago
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    neil foster said 10 years, 9 months ago:

    I could do with some info on early B29's.My project is going to be finished in Olive drab over Grey ,my decal sheet says to finish the leading edges of the wings and the vertical stabiliser in silver which seems odd as I have only ever seen them in black also I need to know what colour to paint the central bosses on the props ,I only have one black and white picture and they seem to be in light grey but if anyone knows for sure that would help.

    Also the kit (Monogram 1/48) has a plexiglass dome behind the upper, forward gun turret but this is obscured by the crew tunnel and is not inside the pressurised compartment it is in the bomb bay so what's it for ?

    N.

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    George Williams said 10 years, 9 months ago:

    Hi Neil, as I'm sure you've already done, I googled B29, and about 4 or 5 pages in came upon a site called virtavia, which, I think, provides a simulation game. Anyway, there are some incredible detailed pictures of the interior of the B29, but also one colour picture of the olive drab scheme, which I think shows leading edges and vertical stabiliser in white...don't know if this helps!

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    neil foster said 10 years, 9 months ago:

    Thanks for taking the time out to look George ,not sure if it does help though .
    N.

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    Jaime Carreon said 10 years, 9 months ago:

    Neil,

    There weren't many B-29's in the OD over gray finish. My guess is those airplanes did not have the rubber inflatable deicer boots installed yet. Those are glued on with screws in a few places for additional reinforcement. Glue doesn't stick well to paint, hence the bare metal:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Olive-drab_painted_B-29_superfotress.jpg

    If I remember correctly, the domes on the upper fuselage are the sighting stations for the two upper gunners. The turrets were remotely operated:

    "The B-29's revolutionary Central Fire Control system included four remotely controlled turrets armed with two .50 Browning M2 machine guns each.[N 2] All weapons were aimed electronically from five sighting stations located in the nose and tail positions and three Perspex blisters in the central fuselage.[N 3] Five General Electric analog computers (one dedicated to each sight) increased the weapons' accuracy by compensating for factors such as airspeed, lead, gravity, temperature and humidity. The computers also allowed a single gunner to operate two or more turrets (including tail guns) simultaneously. The gunner in the upper position acted as fire control officer, managing the distribution of turrets among the other gunners during combat."

    The props are Hamilton Standard Hydromatics. The domes are normally bare metal, but were often painted in the field. Most of the ones I've seen are either bare metal or black, but you'd have to check your references if you're doing a specific airplane. You'd be safe to leave them in silver, but notice the ones in the above photo are black.

    A good friend of mine flew the CAF's B-29 "Fifi" a while back. If you have any more questions, I can ask him for you.

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    neil foster said 10 years, 9 months ago:

    That picture is terrific and certainly helps with the leading edge problem they are indeed bare metal and the centre of the props do seem to be black,now for the tricky bit ,the monogram kit and the colour guide for my decal sheet have a clear dome between the forward upper turret and the radio aerial and yet your photo shows the aircraft without it,obviously the camera does not lie so what's going on...I need a beer.
    N.
    Thanks for taking the time to look Jaime.

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    Jaime Carreon said 10 years, 9 months ago:

    The OD airplanes were all early production and may not have had the domes installed. The only other function I can think of for that dome would be for the navigator to take his sextant shots from.

    Copy on the beer!

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    Jaime Carreon said 10 years, 9 months ago:

    Neil,

    Did some more digging:

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/flygirls/sfeature/tourfor.html

    Turns out the gun turrets were sealed, as they intruded into the pressurized parts of the cabin. If you look at the graphic above, you can see the ghost outline of the upper turret, and the bulge in the floor under the navigoator's seat where the lower turret is located. You'll also see the clear dome, which I think was an astrodome for the navigator . It is in an odd place, though, looks like you'd almost have to be lying on top of the tunnel to get your head in there...

    More here:

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/flygirls/sfeature/tourindex.html

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    Josh Patterson said 10 years, 9 months ago:

    Not sure about the astrodome above the crew tunnel. I think it might have been used for astral navgation using a sextant, but it's weird there's no opening in the tunnel. I just added an opening in mine. As for the silver on the wings, that's simply unpainted metal that was revealed whenever the deicer boots were removed. If you check photos of planes such as "The Flying Guinea Pig" you'll see it with and without the boots installed. Love the B-29! Can't wait to see one done in camo! I also can't wait to see Doc fly this year (hopefully)!

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    Tom Cleaver said 10 years, 9 months ago:

    The leading edges were aluminum because the de-icer boots were removed in service.

    The propeller hubs are natural aluminum.

    The forward upper turret only has two machine guns for these early airplanes.

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    neil foster said 10 years, 9 months ago:

    I've just had a close look at the colour picture posted by Jaime and you're quite right the forward upper turret does indeed have only two guns, the propeller hubs appear to be black though, could they have been in either form i.e. bare metal or painted black ?
    But what about that clear dome that is obscured by the crew tunnel and is actually in the unpressurised bomb bay ?
    N.

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    Jaime Carreon said 10 years, 9 months ago:

    It is the navigator's astrodome. There is a tee off the tunnel to provide access, which is not depicted in the kit parts, so it is pressurized. Pretty tight fit:

    http://www.network54.com/Forum/149674/thread/1326163497/B-29+Dome,+Forward

    A little more:

    http://s374444733.websitehome.co.uk/b-29/b29main.htm

    Prop domes could be either black or unpainted metal, and I've seen them painted in squadron colors as well, so again, check your references if you're building a specific airplane.

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    neil foster said 10 years, 9 months ago:

    Thanks Jaime, you really went the extra mile , those pics are great,in one you can clearly see how the tunnel T's into that astrodome, your picture of the B29's in flight show them not to have this dome at all but I'm keeping it in,the upper forward gun turret has only two guns in the early B29's and I will get round this by swapping the upper one for the lower forward turret ,and after I have done some scratch building to alter the old upper turret will put it underneith where it is less visible if that makes sense.

    Cheers Pal ,have a nice Sunday.N.