Late to the party, Airfix 1/72 new tool Defiant Mk I.

Started by Robert Royes · 19 · 6 years ago · Defiant
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    Robert Royes said 6 years, 3 months ago:

    I've actually started this little gem of a kit, but day fighter or night fighter? If I do the day fighter, as I only do rattle can, I need a close match for the underside camo, Beige green? Would any one know of a close match by modelmaster or Tamiya[in rattle can].

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    Tom Cleaver said 6 years, 3 months ago:

    If you do it early in its career - like May when they surprised the Germans over Dunkirk) the bottom is overall black. I think you can match that.

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    Louis Gardner said 6 years, 3 months ago:

    Hey Robert.

    Unfortunately Model Master doesn't make the paint you are looking for. They have discontinued a lot of their original colors every since Rustoleum took over. Sky was one of them, as they stopped producing all of their RAF colors. I don't think it was available in a spray can in the first place though.

    Tamiya makes one similar but not exactly the color you're going for. The problem is that the spray cans are not a great choice of colors.

    The Tamiya "Sky" color you wanted to use on your BP Defiant is XF-21 in bottle form. Here's the Tamiya color chart that shows XF-21

    It's not available to my knowledge in a spray.

    The closest other color is called "Gray Green" which is XF-76 in a bottle. This color is available as a Tamiya spray with the part number of AS-29.

    However this color might be a little too dark. Please look at the charts to get a rough idea as to what I mean.

    These are the color charts from Tamiya's web site. The spray colors start with an "AS' prefix.

    Hope this helps...

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    Robert Royes said 6 years, 3 months ago:

    This helps a lot, thanks Tom and Louis.

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    Rob Pollock said 6 years, 3 months ago:

    Actually, it was the bombers that had black undersides. In late May fighters still had black/white split and even showed serials too.

    There was a night fighter version in Night overall, but thatโ€™s different again.

    The Sky choice is correct for later production.

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    Tom Cleaver said 6 years, 3 months ago:

    The Defiant violated a lot of rules and this was one. All black undersides. Later Sky. That's because it was thought of as a day/night fighter from the outset.

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    Louis Gardner said 6 years, 3 months ago:

    I think that Rob is on to something here with the white / night undersides. It makes sense as many RAF planes were painted like this during this era.

    What really made me think it was "Possible" are these two photos I found online...

    If you look real close at the BP Defiant in the back ground... The Port side wing that is closest to the camera. It almost lines up with the bumper of the truck in the fore ground. It looks to be more than just a shadow, as the underside of the other (Starboard) wing is well lit by sunlight.

    The odd thing with this picture is the plane parked next to the truck also appears to have a black undercarriage door. This makes the tire almost invisible. However you can see the other tire and the inside of the gear cover... Just like the plane in the back ground.


    The inner side of the main landing gear cover appears to be "Black"...

    in this next photo that has an accompanying illustration...

    I know that artists renderings are not always correct, and often contain errors... and the plane in the back ground of this photo has what appears to be a solid "Sky" color underneath. Maybe this photo was taken during the transition period ?

    But it looks to me as if this could be an option Robert.

    Please look at these photos I found online and judge for yourself. In the end you're the one that needs to be happy with how it looks.

    Hope this helps.

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    Robert Royes said 6 years, 3 months ago:

    I'll probably go with the oob night fighter, to keep it somewhat accurate, thanks for all the helpful responses! This is the first Airfix new tool I've done and I'm loving it.

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    Louis Gardner said 6 years, 3 months ago:

    You can't go wrong with that color choice... and the new tool Airfix stuff is hard to beat. They offer an excellent value for your money and have some very nice detailing.

    Good luck Robert, and I'm looking forward to seeing this one ! ๐Ÿ™‚

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    Paul Barber said 6 years, 3 months ago:

    Hello Robert, I've only just got back on here after a brief bout of family illness - kids - who'd have them!?

    Delighted on returning to see this addition - great to see a night fighter in the mix! Are you doing the one with the shark mouth?

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    Robert Royes said 6 years, 3 months ago:

    Hope all is well, mine are grown, but you never shake them. Yes, I will be doing the shark mouth, a British invention, right?

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    Robert Royes said 6 years, 3 months ago:

    Some pics of my progress, and I also forgot to mention that this kit[and a Martlet IV], was a Random award here at iModeler. As I said this a great kit, but one thing, unless I missed it, the choice for the exhaust tubes is not specified on which to use, it's not a big thing. I have a question about the new Airfix decals as they have a flat finish , should I put down a clear coat ,decal and then flat coat over?
    I recently picked up Airfix's FG1[F-4K] Phantom to add to the inventory.

    3 attached images. Click to enlarge.

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    Tom Cleaver said 6 years, 3 months ago:

    Do the decals the way one always does - on a gloss surface. Don't worry how they're printed. Flat coat afterwards.

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    Robert Royes said 6 years, 3 months ago:

    Aye capt'n.

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    Louis Gardner said 6 years, 3 months ago:

    Looks good Robert ! Pretty soon and you'll have the "stickers" on it... ๐Ÿ™‚