1/48 Monogram TBD-1 Devastator

Started by Louis Gardner · 34 · 7 years ago · 1/48, devastator, Midway Group Build, Monogram, TBD
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    Louis Gardner said 7 years, 8 months ago:

    I started this one simply because I had a lot of Model Master "interior green" mixed up in my air brush.

    I was painting the fuselage and twin .030 caliber plastic parts tree for my Accurate Miniatures SBD-3, which is also in our "Midway Group Build".

    I simply didn't want to waste the paint. Ironically I looked over at my kit stash pile and the first one my eyes landed on were this old Monogram TBD.

    So I took this as a sign... I really don't know if I can get this one done in time for the June anniversary but I will try.

    It's the Mattel Company release, kit number 7575-0100.

    I picked this kit up at a swap meet a long time ago...( for 5$ if memory serves me correctly... since the box looked horrible and the stabilizers had been built) .

    It's the original release of this kit dated from 1974 ! It gives a short historical summary on the side of the box. The instructions are awesome (but have yellowed considerably), since they give you color call outs and describe the parts... I wish that current kit companies would start doing this again... It even has the original release decals, which I am sure will disintegrate upon contact with water.

    The box is very dingy and stained. The kit parts were not sealed in plastic bags and were loose inside the box. It appears to be complete, and even had the original diorama instructions, and Monogram sales flyer that promoted over various kits from the company.

    Here's the clear sprue.

    Followed by the wings tree and cowling. The cowling was loose inside the box. Here is what they look like after spraying the interior green.

    This pictures shows the flaps, and various cockpit parts after they too were sprayed green...

    This photo shows the fuselage halves and upper inner wing portions. Here again the fuselage is now interior green.

    This picture shows the stabilizer halves. They had been glued together by someone else prior to my purchase of the kit. The parts will need just a little sanding on the leading edges.

    I haven't decided on what paint scheme to build this one as. I don't want to build a plane that anyone else is doing in the Midway Group Build. So I will do some research and come up with a solution.

    One thing I really like about this kit is the low parts count. Plus it's an original release and doesn't appear to have hardly any flash at all.

    I built one of these as a kid, so it will be a trip down memory lane...

    Please stay tuned.

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    Louis Gardner said 7 years, 8 months ago:

    Tonight I spent a lot more time working on the SBD than I usually get to. So while the paint was drying on the Dauntless, I used the time to paint parts on the Devastator.

    Once all of these parts were dry I decided to start gluing it together.

    *** UPDATE ****

    Do not glue in the pilot's control stick during this step.  If you do then you can NOT install the instrument panel later...the stick gets in the way and will not let you slide the instrument panel into the two grooves on each side of the fuselage.   You can always add the control stick after the instrument panel is in position.  This will help you later... ask me how I know.

    Here's the results :

    The cockpit assembly, basic, but it looks OK to me.


    The interior side walls of the fuselage:


    The fuselage after I glued the cockpit into position.

    A few close ups of the interior.


    Followed by the top edge of the cockpit. This part covers a lot of what is currently visible.

    That's all folks !

    Enjoy...

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    Louis Gardner said 7 years, 8 months ago:

    I found out the hard way that I had a huge gap present on the bottom of the fuselage just ahead of the bomb bay doors. The fuselage halves fit very well together after I removed the locating pins and sanded both halves flat. What I didn't take into consideration was just how the cockpit was going to affect this fit...

    I found the culprit after close scrutiny.

    The area inside the fuselage that is molded to allow a maintenance inspection door open, and reveal the molded in details, was sticking out too far. I'm pointing to this location with a toothpick here in this photo.

    I could not adjust the cockpit forward and aft since there are several locating pins present on the lower part of the cockpit floor. If the cockpit is not in the exact location, it will affect the fit of the top cover that glues on above the assembly...

    So I spread the lower fuselage halves apart and performed some minor surgery...

    I cut off the offending piece of plastic on the edge of the floor. Then I test fit everything. After several tries, I was happy with the fit. Here is this picture I'm pointing at the area with my Bare Metal Foil scribing tool.

    The next step was to apply some glue, and clamp in position as it dried...

    Here you can see the gap is non existent.

    The gap should look fine now. This is how it looked after I removed the clamp. The gap is still partially present behind the engine in the firewall area. The engine and cowling should cover this spot. I'm sure that I will have some work to do here once the bomb bay doors have been glued in place. It looks like the front rounded contour is off just a little...

    The area that caused all of this problem was located directly behind this spot. The Port side opening that shows off some of the molded on details.

    Besides my usual internet searching, I have been using these three books for references:

    1. "Naval Fighters Number 71" Douglas TBD Devastator by Steve Ginter. This is a great book, chocked full of information and a lot of photos...

    1. "Scale Aviation Modeler Magazine". Volume 11, Issue 9
      This book just so happens to have a build article on the old Monogram TBD. There are some good photos too showing the sequence. Years ago our local hobby store carried these books. Sadly the LHS moved and I no longer get the magazines. I was lucky to have this one.

    1. "TBD Devastator In Action" by Squadron signal
      Another fine reference. This book covers the Devastator from prototype to withdrawal from combat after Midway. It has some great pictures as well.

    There you have it for today's work...

    Maybe I can get a little done on the Dauntless or the Avenger.

    As usual, comments are welcomed.

    Take care.

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    Bernard E. Hackett, Jr. said 7 years, 8 months ago:

    Louis, SAMI is still being published, it is one of the 2 I get on a regular basis. Barnes & Noble in my area carry it, and Books-A-Million, last time I was in one.
    Those opening panels under the nose are opened when the bombsight is being used for level bombing. There's a Norden inside, amazingly enough. Shades of the B-17!
    When the Devastator came out, Scale Modeler had a build article. That was a while ago.

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    Louis Gardner said 7 years, 8 months ago:

    Thanks Bernard for the information about the SAMI magazines. I really enjoyed reading them. I'll have to go check out the two places you mentioned to see if they carry them down here.

    I saw the Norden bomb sight pictures in the Ginter book. It also showed one of the bombing windows opened ! It was very interesting to see how the technology worked back then when it was a front line aircraft. Neat stuff.

    Tonight I made more progress on the Devastator.

    Something was bothering me about the cylinder between the middle and rear seats that held some sort of compressed air. Then it hit me. It was probably a fire extinguisher.

    I went to another website that has an amazing scratch built 1/16 scale TBD that was built by a WW2 US Navy aircraft veteran.

    and there it was... He had modeled his plane with a brass colored cylinder. It looked just like an antique fire extinguisher. Not everyone knows this, but back then the fire extinguishers were not painted red as they are today. Most of them (not all) were polished brass or copper color.

    As a retired former Fire Fighter Officer this is something I know a little about.

    I found this picture of an antique aircraft extinguisher.

    So I decided to give the gold colored "Bare Metal Foil" a try. Here's the foil as I was applying it over the extinguisher.

    And how it looked after the excess was trimmed off.

    Following this step I installed the rear gunner's ring mount, instrument panel and top plug for the fuselage.

    A word of caution about the instrument panel :

    If you follow the instructions as I did initially, they would have you install the pilot's control stick in step one.

    DONT DO IT !

    If you do then you can not install the instrument panel later. I had to remove this part in order to glue in panel in place.

    It's very easy to glue the control stick back in AFTER the instrument panel is in position.


    This picture shows the fire extinguisher and the middle plus the rear seats.


    This last picture shows the top fuselage plug installed.

    It's starting to look more like a TBD. Maybe tomorrow I will start cleaning up the fuselage seams.

    I'm calling it a night.

    Enjoy and as usual comments are encouraged.

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    Chuck A. Villanueva said 7 years, 8 months ago:

    Great start on the ole girl, thanks for the tips on the install process of the cockpit and fuselage halves. I will be more aware when I get to this point of the assembly of my Devastator.

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    Louis Gardner said 7 years, 8 months ago:

    You're welcome Chuck. If I run across any more problems I'll be sure to post them here along with some pictures and what I did to correct it. I'm hoping that this build goes smoothly though.

    I've been tossing around the idea of building this one as a "Yellow Wings" plane.

    I am seriously thinking about researching these bureau numbers that are depicted on these decal sheets to see if any of them participated at Midway. If they did, then I may opt to build the plane as it was earlier in life, and include what happened to the plane during the Battle of Midway.

    The other deciding factor will be how well the joint seams turn out. If they are good enough for an aluminum finish, then that, combined with Midway service will be the deciding factors.

    Meanwhile, here are the more recent kit decals that came in several of my TBD kits. (I have 5 of them, including this one).

    This is a photo of the kit decals for the 2003 release that offered the book written by Bert Kinsey on torpedo and dive bombers. Unfortunately this book was not present when I purchased the kit used from EBay.

    In this photo below is the kit decals for the 1999 release that was called the "Monogram Classics". This version came with a cool reproduction patch like the Monogram kits did way back when... I bought this kit new at a local hobby shop.

    The next picture shows a set of "Yellow Wings" decals, 48-006 and includes decals for two planes. If another set of National insignia were included, there would have been enough to build two planes.

    and the actual decal sheet.

    The last option I have, is this set of "Yellow Wing" decals, 48-002. This set has all of the markings needed to build any of the section leader aircraft from VT-3 Saratoga or VT-6 Enterprise. This set doesn't include National insignia. Too bad... it would have been a nice addition.

    and the actual decal sheet

    Now I need to go do a little research to see what bureau numbers were present at Midway from these decals. Then I need to verify that the interiors on these planes, (if they were present at Midway) had interior green inside the fuselage.

    Some of the earlier Devastators were delivered with aluminum lacquer as the overall interior colors. If so, I can't build it as my plane already has the interior green finish inside the fuselage. I probably should have decided prior to painting... but I can always fall back to a Blue Gray over Gray scheme if this doesn't work.

    So I have some research to do... and hopefully the fuselage and wing seams will come out nice enough for a metallic finish.

    Please stay tuned. Comments are encouraged.

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    Rob Anderson said 7 years, 8 months ago:

    Very nice! I love the old Monogram kits. I am currently building the B-17G, and have the Red Baron and Lil Coffin show rod kits next up. Trip down memory lane for sure. looks like you are doing great!

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    Louis Gardner said 7 years, 8 months ago:

    I really like the old Monogram kits too Rob. I've been looking at the work on the interior of your B-17. It looks really good !
    I remember the Red Baron car model as a kid. It was really cool with the German helmet and Iron Cross wheels ! I've often thought about building a real life version as a custom car... Plans to build it were available as a T- bucket. I would have to use a Big Block Chrysler 440 engine in mine though.

    The Lil coffin was cool too.

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    Louis Gardner said 7 years, 8 months ago:

    Well I think I have finally decided on which plane to build mine as... providing the seams turn out OK.

    "6-T-6" form the Enterprise. It's bureau number 0327 and was delivered to Torpedo 6. You can it see in this fabulous 1940 color photo from the Life Magazine. I'm fairly certain that most of the TBD's that were delivered with factory applied lettering had aluminum painted interiors.

    "6-T-6" (or 0327 if you prefer) was later lost at Midway painted in "Blue Gray" over "Gray" marked as "T-14" while still assigned to VT-6 on the Enterprise. The entire crew was listed as KIA.

    After doing a lot of research trying to find out which Devastators had green interiors, I only found 3 planes that you could without a doubt tell had this color. I know that there were many more than three... (that's all I could find photos of so far). It also looks like Douglas was instructed by the Bureau of Aeronautics to start painting the interiors of the planes in "Bronze Green".

    However the color "Interior Green", Dull Dark Green or Black were sometimes used to over paint the aluminum lacquer interiors during overhauls, or at the "unit's discretion". Apparently there were complaints forwarded through the Chain of Command ( I think it was from VT-2 ) about the Aluminum Lacquer finishes reflecting too much light inside the cockpit.

    I'll have to modify the bureau numbers slightly, but I have some dry transfer numbers that should work... The decals I have can be made into "6-T-6" without too much problems.

    Here's another picture showing "6-T-6" from a slightly different angle. If you look closely at "6-T-16" (which is the "yellow" section leader, bureau number 0346) in the background, it still has an aluminum lacquer finish on the interior...

    I have also found some online information that stated some of the TBD cockpits were left in aluminum lacquer even with Blue Gray / Gray camouflaged paint schemes. The source stated that these planes had the upper edges of the cockpits over sprayed with Blue Gray to reduce the reflectivity, similar to how it was done on some of the SB2U Vindicators...

    So the answer was right in front of me all along. It was on the front cover of my Devastator book by Steve Ginter.

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    Louis Gardner said 7 years, 8 months ago:

    Last night I glued some parts on the TBD.

    I started out by veering from the instructions some. After studying this for a little while I decided that it would be better to glue the bomb window in place against the lower cockpit rather than to glue it down to the lower portion of the wing. So I used white glue and secured it against the bottom of the cockpit. There are two tabs located almost directly under the rudder pedals. This is what I used as an anchor point. It looks fine from above when looked at through the cockpit floor area. With the bomb bay doors closed, it will not be that visible anyhow.

    Here's the Devastator after the wing center section was glued in position. I decided to glue the upper and lower wing halves together first. This way I could ensure that all of the corrugated panel lines were in alignment. If I didn't do this first, it would have been possible for the lines not to meet as they should.

    However by gluing these parts together first, it gave me a little bit of problems with the fit elsewhere:

    The wing to fuselage fillet joints are pretty nice and tight.


    The lower section just aft of the flaps had a small gap. I'll have to use a little plastic to fill this spot in. If you look closely you can also see a small sink mark area just behind the flaps on each side. These sink marks are part of the upper wing halves.

    In this area just behind the torpedo well opening, there was some "MMI" and copyright lettering present. I scraped this lettering off with a razor blade. You can see the results in this picture too if you look close enough. This area is right in the center of the picture.

    The bomb bay doors were glued closed. There are a few gaps in this area that will need some attention too. I tried to close the gaps as tight as possible, but still managed to get a few...

    There was also a fairly large sink mark in the plastic on both upper center wing halves... This in inboard and includes part of the walk way area.

    So I will have some fill work to do. Hopefully it turns out nice enough for an aluminum finish.

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    Louis Gardner said 7 years, 8 months ago:

    Today's weather has been kind of nasty. It's raining and I didn't want to go out and work on my Challenger in the shop. Instead I decided to work on the Devastator.

    I used a "Q-tip" moistened with a little paint thinner to remove the interior green overspray on the fuselage sides. Since I was doing this, I gave the Accurate Miniatures SBD the same treatment...

    Then I decided to start sanding on the fuselage seams... Once this was done, I proceeded to fill in any gaps with .020 X .010 plastic strips.

    Here's the instrument panel where it meets the cockpit upper coaming.

    While I was on a roll, and after studying pictures of the wing walk area, I decided to add some plastic strip along the upper wing joint. This and the instrument panel seams can be seen in this picture:

    Here's a close up of the wing to fuselage joint after the strip was glued in place.

    The underside was given the same treatment: If you look close you will see that most of the plastic "Divot" next to the flap in the lower section of this picture has been sanded out. The other side came out nicely and no filler will be needed there. Also visible in this picture is the plastic filler rod after it has been sanded down. You can see how nice it fills in the gap that once was there.

    The bomb bay doors actually fit pretty good after some sanding. There were a few gaps by the door hinges and at the rear of one bomb bay door though. I filled these in with strip too. The areas that look white are the plastic strips after they have been sanded.

    Now I'll probably remove the remaining overspray on the lower section of the wing next. This is how the TBD looks at the moment. I have been using wet / dry 400 grit sand paper for the initial sanding work. Once I get things where I want them, I will use progressively finer paper until I get the finish I'm after.

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    Louis Gardner said 7 years, 8 months ago:

    I was on a roll and didn't want to stop.

    So I applied some green putty to the sink marks in the plastic at the wing joints on the upper wing surfaces. These were very close to the wing walk areas.

    I used an old single edged razor blade to smooth out the putty while it was still wet.


    Then I gave the spot under the wing next to the flaps the same treatment...

    While this was drying, I decided to glue the outer wing halves together.

    Next I sanded down the green putty after it had dried. Once this was done, I re-scribed the panel lines that were lost due to the sanding process.

    Finally I gave all of the seams another coat of sand able light gray primer.

    This is how the bomb bay doors look now: I'm not really happy with the front rounded outline. I'm going to redo this section and make it better. The rear gap on one of the doors looks bad too...

    Followed by the rear underside of the fuselage at the wing joint:

    The plastic sink mark on the Port side came out pretty decent...

    as did the rear upper fuselage seam...

    Finally, here's how the sink mark looks now on the Starboard side.

    That's all for today. I'm calling it a night.

    Take care.

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    Louis Gardner said 7 years, 8 months ago:

    I have not been happy with how the front bomb bay doors came out. I goofed up re scribing the panel lines and there were several gaps that just ruined the look of the plane in this are of the fuselage.

    So I sanded this area again and filled in the gaps with the plastic strips like I used elsewhere on this plane.

    Then I had a brilliant idea: I have 4 more of these TBD kits, so I thought why not remove a set of doors from one kit and use it for a reference or possibly even a pattern ?

    So I did just that. Here's a picture of the spare doors lying in front of the fuselage.

    Then I sanded the plastic strips down to shape. I was also able to remove some of the inaccuracies in the scribing lines.

    I had some gray primer in my air brush from my mishap on the stabilizer from my AM Dauntless build.

    So I decided that I would spray paint a super heavy coat of gray over these doors in an effort to fill in the problem areas. It looks really nasty right now but it will be much better once I sand this spot again.

    This is how the area looks now that the paint is starting to dry. I'm going to let this set up over night and possibly work on shaping this spot up some more tomorrow.

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    Louis Gardner said 7 years, 8 months ago:

    As I worked on my Dauntless some, it gave the TBD some time for the primer paint to dry somewhat.

    A few years ago, when I painted my "Yellow Wings" F4F Wildcat, I used Model Master "Metalizer" paint on the fuselage. I made the mistake of painting the aluminum color first. The next step was to paint on a fuselage stripe that was red on this particular build. I had to mask this area off, and tape was applied over the aluminum color.

    Later, when I removed the taped off areas that were covering the fuselage, it pulled some of the aluminum paint with it. In other areas where the aluminum paint remained intact, it left some pretty nasty tape marks.

    All of the paint had to be stripped off... This time I'm going a different route:
    I'll spray the aluminum "metalizer" last.

    So I started masking off the tail area ...

    I used Scotch "invisible" clear tape to mask around the curved sections surrounding the stabilizers and fin. Once I positioned the tape, I cut off the excess with a sharp razor blade.

    After the small detail taping was done, I used wide Painters tape to mask off larger areas where overspray might land:

    In preparation for some Model Master "True Blue" FS 15109, which was the color assigned to the US aircraft carrier Enterprise during this time.

    Once everything was safely masked off, I started spraying the blue onto the tail of the Devastator. It kind of blended in some with the blue tape...



    Once the spraying was done, I cleaned my air brush for the night. This gave the newly sprayed blue some time to skin over.

    So the next step was done carefully so as not to damage any of the fresh paint. I started removing the tape...

    Starboard side:

    Port side:

    and underside:

    Here's how the Devastator looks tonight...

    I'm calling it a day and will let the paint dry overnight.

    It's starting to look more like "6-T-6".

    Take care.