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Started by Paul Wilsford · 12 · 10 years ago
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    Paul Wilsford said 10 years, 11 months ago:

    One of my many shortfalls is trying to gather the proper information and photographic references pertaining to the subject that I am trying to replicate and I think I have some of the basic techniques required to complete a subject in a semi satisfactory manner. I have been trying to see if I can gather books and articles from people like Tom and Jerry Crandall for some time now but the price of these books are rather out of my reach.
    The photographic evidence supporting different lay out and colors of all instruments in cockpits and panel lay out baffles me because I dont know what to choose for the colors and I want to produce as accurate and subject as I can.
    This is a huge challenge to me because I have lost interest in reading and my patience is growing thin with my results and my inadequacies. This is mostly concerning painting and fine details, sink holes and pin marks. I have a difficult time identifying which is which as I look at them. I know what they are by definition and what causes them but I seem to by pas those all together.

    As for the reference material, I either don't have any idea what-so-ever where to find those or what is a good price for information that I may not ever use again. I guess I am venting this because right now I feel inadequate in my hobby/art and am kind of looking for support and ideas where to turn.

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    Bryan W. Bernart said 10 years, 11 months ago:

    Paul,

    I hear you.

    The internet is absolutely the best source as you have the world at your fingertips. I literally type whatever I'm trying to search into my web browser (ie. Polish medium bombers of WWII, or F4u-1a cockpit color, or Bf-109 g6/r2) and off you go. There is no single or best source. The are literally hundreds of websites that deal with all sorts of obscure details. I use Wings Pallette, The Testor's website with Brett Green's tutorials, Squadron books,(particularly when on sale for next to nothing), and any crazy link I come across. Photographs abound.

    Unfortunately you still need to separate the wheat from the chaff, which means some reading.

    You can also access the FS color standards on line. IPMS Stockholm has paint conversion (maker to maker) tables that are somewhat incomplete-I printed them out and have been filling in the blanks as possible. They help.

    My problem is that everyone that inhabits this site is pretty damn good or better-and I feel like I'm bringing up the rear. I've thought about giving up the hobby, but it keeps me away from loose women and brown liquor.

    Bryan

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    James Robert Feuilherade said 10 years, 11 months ago:

    Hello Paul, Subject accuracy, like weathering, is an ongoing topic of differences of opinion. As I've said on another post of mine, I'm not a rivet counter, have nothing against them aprt from at times, their access enthusiasm to criticise. I are definately interested in accuracy, but to a point. For me, if a model "looks" right, I'm happy. Take the Revell 1/32 Spitfire Mk24. Yes it has some glaring faults to the nose and canopy shape. If modification kits were freely available without hunting for limited issues of them on the net etc, or if Revell re-issued the kit with corrections, I would be very very happy. However, I have one of them and despite it's faults, it still managed to convey the look of the bulged Griffon engine cowlings, and the beauty of that long elegant nose. All painted up, it looks the part. So I can live with it.

    My point when it comes to subject accuracy is, I have been involved with aircraft as a career. Take the Harvard for example, which I flew with the SAAF. Do you know how many different shades of black instrument panel I saw in those great (but old!) aircraft? How many shades of cockpit green I saw, depending on when it was last painted? How many strange little brackets and shell casing deflector bulges on the wings some had and some didn't? How many little dents and knocks the airframes had? That's why the odd sink mark doesn't bother me, I say those can easily be a dent or ding, "when the cowling or wing fairing was last removed".

    So for me, I can live with small differences, because in my experience, arguably that's how real aircraft are?

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    AL HOFFMAN said 10 years, 11 months ago:

    I'll put my two cents worth in Paul. I tend to agree with James. If the model I'm building looks like the subject matter I'm generally a happy camper. I feel basic reference info on your current build is a good thing but a person can get carried away with research & never build the model. You can read all the reviews on your kit that are available & if you start thinking about the 'fatal flaws' in the kit you won't build it.

    Now there are modelers that their enjoyment of the hobby comes from doing research. Nothing wrong with that. Everyone involved in this hobby has an area that brings them the most enjoyment. This is as it should be.

    Truth be known, the same subject can & will look different at different times of it's life so who is to say what is right & what is wrong?

    Personally I have to constantly battle AMS (advanced modeler's syndrome). This is an affliction, not a level of competency. This is my primary nemesis when it comes to finishing a project. It has to do with over thinking the task before you.

    I'll get down off my pulpit now & just close by saying that for most of us this is a hobby & not a career &needs to be embraced as such.

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    Paul Wilsford said 10 years, 11 months ago:

    Well this clears up quite a bit of confusion about a list of subjects that I am currently lusting to accomplish. OK, There are some kits out there that really try my patience and usually wind up in the circular junk yard. I just hope that the further along I venture in this hobby that I have a some what accurate representation of the subject that I am replicating.

    One of my basic flaws is that I no longer care about the history of my subjects but rather the important thing to me is the build. I find also, that the variety of subject seem to be limited. You can only build so many Spitfires, Mustangs and 190s before you hit a stone wall. WWI aircraft just doesn't interest me and neither does armor. Now there is a whole different animal all together.

    I suppose when it is all said and done that the research for some guys and gals is the interesting aspect and is a hobby all together.

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    Frank Cronin said 10 years, 9 months ago:

    AHMEN...

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    Jaime Carreon said 10 years, 9 months ago:

    Paul,

    I feel your pain, my friend! My method of dealing with this when I came back to the hobby was to decide first to build models I had never done before. As you said, everyone has Mustangs and Spitfires and you can only do so many before they get dull. The other thing I truly love is the really oddball airplanes with completely non standard paint schemes or weird modifications.

    My second goal is to build models of airplanes I worked on before I screwed up my career going to work for an airline. It's a short list right now, as there aren't kits available of many of them. But I hope to eventually get around to my favorites.

    I don't go looking for specific subjects anymore. My A-26 build was a spur of the moment decision brought on by a cool set of two dollar decals I found on clearance. Some of the others were brought on by neat photos that were either sent to me or that I found while looking for something else. And if the finished product looks like what it's supposed to, I'm happy. One of the things I've noticed in working on airplanes all those years is that a lot of the "experts" and "definitive" references aren't always right. Many of the rivet counters have never seen rivets. So I tend to use my experiences as a guide to my models.

    Bottom line - build it how you like, the way you want, and have fun doing it!

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    Paul Wilsford said 10 years, 9 months ago:

    Thanks Jamie, I knew that I wasn't the only one " suffering from this enigma". After some searching I find a couple of other kits that I am interested in. I do hope that I can pull off a decent representation of any aircraft I choose to replicate.

    When I got back into this hobby after a 40 year hiatus I built then just to build them now I get a bit, for the lack of a better work, dejected, on the details on some of these kits that are supposed to be high tech but I now have this AMS fever that requires me to go with pe or the latest resin offering. It seems to be a vicious cycle here.

    I don't want to come out as a rivet counter because I have noticed that these guys are usually a pain in the posterior and like you said haven't even seen a rivet..

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    Gregor d said 10 years, 9 months ago:

    Paul,

    I got very discouraged with my models a while back, and was unhappy with results I had achieved with a few kits that i ended up binning, which was a waste of plastics and my time. I've looked back over the articles you have shared on imodeler and think they are all great efforts, especially the 1/32 P-40 & Trumpeter Hurricane (loved the paint job on that one). Many of the contributors to this site have said the same thing - build for yourself, and enjoy it. It is after all a hobby, ie a passtime, source of relaxation. Getting uptight about exact colours, infinte detail isn't worth it. It will ruin your enjoyment. A lot of modern kits are more than adequately detailed straight out the box, and rarely need all the expensive extras. I went back to building really old kits just to experience the simple joy of sticking components together, and painting the constructed item to the best of my ability. This has renewed my enthusiasm no end, and can reccommend it to anyone who gets a bit downhearted when things don't turn out as well as they should or could do. I am amazed at all the guys who can got the extra mile for ulitmate accuracy, and pristine finishes. Their models inspire me to greater efforts, even if i can't match them. I agree with theother guys on this point - enjoy doing what you do.

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    Jack Mugan said 10 years, 9 months ago:

    I am curious what brings people back to the hobby. I have been building without the long term break that many refer to, so I can not relate to what it takes to return. I ask this question because we who belong to model clubs, are always looking for ways to attract new people and/or previous modelers to attend a meeting and to enlarge our membership of course.

    I agree with the comments about how many of the same models can we build without becoming bored with the same subject matter. I have found that you can use those models, but in a different way, such as race planes and civilian schemes on military aircraft for example. I have noticed a strong trend within the hobby to build What If projects. You can also explore the amazing world of dioramas, which will bring you a whole new skill set, even though you are using the same old kit offerings. It is a lot of fun to think outside the box on occasion, to exercise your imagination. You will be surprised at what you can accomplish.

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    Paul Wilsford said 10 years, 9 months ago:

    This is very informative for me. I have a gist on how most modelers feel about the subjects of this hobby and passion.Maybe some time soon I will figure out how to do scratch improvements that looks authentic and very plausible. Thanks for the input guys..

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    Chuck A. Villanueva said 10 years, 9 months ago:

    Paul, I understand your concern. I also was away from the hobby for awhile. Going to college, cars, girls, cars, girls, cars, etc, you get the gist, starting a family and then kind a started to ease myself back in while stationed at NAS Meridian, lots of time on my hands, picked up the new Hasegawa 1/48th F-4B (at the time it was). An airbrush some basic tools and enough paint to build it. Then the bug hit, started buidling the stash. Discovered Discount Hobbies in Utica, NY. I think it was an ad they used to have in a Scale Modeler Magazine and ordered some kits at great prices. But this is a time when like you discovered AMS, started from building for fun and more into accuracy. Which now what used to take me a couple of weeks to build, now research, detail sets, decals, etc. now would take me months into now years. I have a Tamiya Lancaster now approaching 8 years since I started it. I want to finish that kit and it will be done this year. A 72nd P-3, finally in the decal stage, it is 6 years old. I can go on. I have quite a few in the stash now. Im at the age now to start building them. Some will be right out of the box. The only time I will use any resin or detail sets is to build something that does not exist in kit form but to modify it into the variant I want to build, like a Counter Invader (another one to replace the one that got destroyed) out of the Monogram B-26C. I ignore the know it all's there is always one in every site. When it is there turn for someone to critique their project, they won't hear of it. I still do research and I do know all the discrepancies of every kit I have in my stash. That didn't stop me from acquiring it. If it is an F-14 with the nose slightly out of shape so be it. When it's finished it still looks like an F-14 in every way. I am not building for a contest, I am building iit for me. And to enjoy the challenge of building, painting and marking it. I flew in the darn thing and will Thank My Lord Jesus for the opportunity and privilege to do so. As well as the gift to build model airplanes,tanks and an occasional car. So Paul have fun and enjoy it. Can't wait to see what you have to share with us in 2014. Have a blessed day.

    Chuck

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