CB-25J Mitchell

Started by George R Blair Jr · 230 · 1 year ago · 1/48, B-25J Mitchell, CB-25J, MATS, Monogram
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    George R Blair Jr said 1 year, 8 months ago:

    John (@johnb): Getting close to the point when I will need to decide if I will rescribe all the fuselage panel lines or replace just those I took out in my sanding. The raised panel lines on the wings and on the fuselage sides are fine. Some experimenting may be in order. I think the mismatch is a mold problem, but I have never seen one like this before. Everything matches perfectly at the forward end of the fuselage, but the mismatch gets progressively worse as you move toward the rear.

    Thanks for the encouragement, Walt (@luftwaffe-birdman). I think the two glass pieces should be identical in size, or at least close enough to interchange them. Vacuform has always been a mystery to me. Not so much cutting them out, but getting them stuck to the plane and then smoothed with putty, if needed. I will do some Youtubes if I need to use it. I have been watching some videos on Youtube concerning natural metal finishes. As you might guess, there are at least a 1000 different techniques using a 1000 different products. I have had really good results using Vallejo Metals over a Tamiya Fine Gray Primer. The videos I watched used Vallejo metals, but all used different primers for a foundation. The one I liked the best was a guy who used semi-gloss black as the base, then used Vallejo over it. He got really nice results and says the semi-gloss doesn't allow the metallic paint to pull up with masking like some of the others do. I also watched some videos where they basically pre-shaded the foundation and then applied metallics over it. Like you said, experiments are in order before I commit to painting a 1/48 scale bomber. Cheers.

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    George R Blair Jr said 1 year, 8 months ago:

    I took a good look at the fuselage and decided that I I had lost most of the raised panel lines during construction, so it might be a good time to learn how to scribe panel lines for the entire fuselage. Who knew it would be this much fun? Just kidding. I have replaced portions of recessed panel lines lost during sanding on other models, but this is my first attempt at replacing all of the panel lines. I had all the tools, as well as a lifetime supply of Dymo Tape, so off I went. My first problem was finding a good diagram showing where the panel lines should be, so I used the raised panel lines on the model as a guide, then sanded them off after. When I got done, it looked a lot like my face after my first shaving attempt with a "real" razor when I was much younger. I had lots of things to fix when I got done, but I think it will be OK. I am hoping to leave the raised panel lines on the wings, which will result in a hybrid model with both raised and recessed lines. We'll see how it looks and re-scribe the wings if necessary. Getting close to bringing the wings, tail, and nose section together with the fuselage. This will probably be followed by more fill, sand, and repeat. At least it feels like I am moving forward. We are supposed to have some severe storms tonight, so hopefully more tomorrow. Cheers.

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    Spiros Pendedekas said 1 year, 8 months ago:

    Looks like your scribing attempt will be totally successful, my friend @gblair! Great job!

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    John vd Biggelaar said 1 year, 8 months ago:

    Great approach which will end up with some nice panel lines, George @gblair
    This is one of the parts (amongst many others) which I still need to master.

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    George R Blair Jr said 1 year, 8 months ago:

    Thanks, John (@johnb) and Spiros (@fiveten). They aren't very consistent in width and depth, but I think they will be alright.

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    Stephen W Towle said 1 year, 8 months ago:

    Impressive George,

    Your attempts at scribing look as if a manufacture had done them. What I appreciate, when a modeler practices old school craftsmanship, is the art of creating vs assembling. Your more of a artesian practicing his craft with the scribing tools and tape than what a computer assisted machined mold can do. Its more personal seeing what the human hand can do with the plastic. The end result is warmer more personal model that says " I made this" vs what a machine has done. I have a chip on my should, when the Monogram B-25 was made slide rulers, pencil and paper where used to make this model. Artisans made wood models that where used to make patterns for cutting molds. I'm sure some of them where either a generation removed from WWII or were Vets. Apparently, the folks at Monogram had people look over the model to get feed back on their impression of the kit. For the accuracy police the kit was accurate but, left an impression that the model was cold and dead looking. They tweak some of the out lines or proportions, the cowlings are said not be perfect however, the over all impression left for the viewer say's the spirit and character of the B-25.
    Your efforts George, will continue the tradition of making something vs assembling and showing what some of us old farts know as the B-25.

    Keep up the good work.

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    George R Blair Jr said 1 year, 8 months ago:

    Thanks for the kind words, Stephen (@stephen-w-towle). I gave up building for contests about 10 years ago, and, hand-in-hand, I gave up competing with other people's builds. Because of this, I am always looking for something a little different. I usually find planes and markings that few other modelers have done. This leads me to a lot of planes that need a little conversion, or there are no decals for the plane, or I push on the "weathering" button fairly hard. I like pushing the limits of what I can do, but I try not to stray too far from what I know how to do. This plane is really a stretch: First extensive re-scribing, first all-metal finish over the whole plane, and the first time I created something on my 3D printer that I can use on a model. I also really like to connect to my model, if I can, which makes the build more fun. I was an instructor pilot in the C-141B, so I like the idea that this was a cargo version of a well-known bomber.

    Talk about old school. I was a geology major in college, and we used slide rules. The four function (add, subtract, multiply, divide) calculators that you can now get for free in a lot of places was almost $100 back then. It would be a long time before I could afford something like that. I still have my slide rule, by the way. My first kits were wood, but I was only 6 or 7 years old, so they were pretty awful. My first plastic kit was the original Revell B-47 that my Mom got for me in the post exchange in Germany (my dad was in the army) for $.80. I used her red finger nail polish to paint the engine nacelles. Boy, have times changed.

    Any, thanks for the kind comments and the trip down memory lane. Have a great weekend.

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    George R Blair Jr said 1 year, 8 months ago:

    Slowly, but surely, moving forward. I finished the panel lines on the fuselage, but I still need to fix the numerous places were the line wandered. The horizontal stabilizer is installed and filled, now waiting for sanding. I planned to install the fuselage portion for the bombardier, but discovered the fuselage part is more narrow than the glass for its top. It appears that the tops of the fuselage part are pinched in, but there is a flange just forward of the cockpit that the pieces slots into. It looks like the flange will force the sides into the correct shape and hopefully everything will be fine.

    I was in our rented storage room looking for models to take for consignment when I came across a box that had three of Revell 1/48 B-25Js...the same one I was using for this kit. Apparently the fuselage is the basic of a B-25J with the basic nose, a B-25J with the 4 fixed machine guns cut through the glass, as well as the cannon-armed B-25. I am using the version with the 4 fixed machine guns in the nose which creates a bunch of unfillable holes in the nose glass. I discovered I had one of the basic versions with a nose glass that only had one fixed machine gun and a flexible mount. I think I can use this nose for my model and not have to wait for the Accurate Miniatures nose I got to replace the nose glass that I have. Yeah!

    Everyone have a great weekend. Cheers.

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    David Butler said 1 year, 8 months ago:

    Great work George! you're a braver man than I by taking on the rescribing endeavor. I tried my hand at it once (coincidentally on the same B-25j kit you are building) failed hard and had to contact Revell customer service to send me a new wing! Good luck 🙂

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    John vd Biggelaar said 1 year, 8 months ago:

    Very nice progress, George @gblair.
    Quite some luck that you found this glass nose piece which will definitely make it a bit easier to deal with.
    Nice solution on extending the floor.

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    Spiros Pendedekas said 1 year, 8 months ago:

    Nice progress, my friend @gblair! The floor extension is nice. Hopefully the canopy/fuselage mismatch will be addressed by your superb skills. Great that you found a more appropriate nose.
    Looking forward to your next steps!

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    George R Blair Jr said 1 year, 8 months ago:

    Thanks, David (@dbutlr), John (@johnb), and Spiros (@fiveten). I feel better about the build now that I am getting closer to getting the wings and tail on the plane. The eyebrow window in the cockpit glass was tinted with dark green on the CB-25J, and I have been experimenting with Tamiya Clear Green. I had planned to airbrush it on, but it looks like I can get consistent results with a brush.

    Re-scribing has been an "interesting" endeavor, David (@dbutlr) , and one I wouldn't have done if I had any other choice. With the many modifications to the fuselage, I lost a lot of panel lines. I felt like I had no other choice, so I dived in. Previously, the most I had done was to replace small areas lost when sanding the fuselage. I still need LOTS of practice, but I think this one is OK. I have the most problems working around the curved portions, for instance when a panel line transitions from the top to the sides. The raised panel lines on the wing survived nicely, so I plan to leave them. I am hoping primer and paint hide the fact that there are both recessed and raised panel lines on the model.

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    capt. R said 1 year, 8 months ago:

    For rescribe panel lines I used hobby saw from CMK.

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    George R Blair Jr said 1 year, 8 months ago:

    Hi, Bernard (@lis). I use photoetch saw blades from Tamiya for tight curves, such as wing leading edges. I have also used them in replacing lines lost to minor sanding. I have found that in this case, for a 1/48 scale model where most of the fuselage panel line were gone, that it might be worth trying something else. Since the panel lines are raised on this kit, it was also worth trying to replace them. I need a lot more practice, and I don't plan to replace the raised panel lines on the wings. We'll see how it goes.

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    George R Blair Jr said 1 year, 8 months ago:

    Wee, another day of fill, sand, check, and repeat again. I think it is getting close. The horizontal tail is attached, filled, and sanded. The forward fuselage section has also been added and prepped. I have checked the wings and it looks like they may go on without filler. I think I am getting close to the really fun part: check all of the putty and sanding, spray the primer, and get ready for the natural metal finish.

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