A-20/DB-7B (Boston III) tropical – AMT/ETRL

Started by Eric Berg · 161 · 2 years ago · A-20, A-20B/C, AMT/ERTL A-20 B/C Mk III, Boston, Havoc
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    Tom Cleaver said 2 years, 4 months ago:

    The paint in that photo @fiveten posted almost looks like it was originally OD/NG and then some "tan" or "middle stone" was over done on the OD. that could make sense since the OD used on the early A-20/Boston would have been OD 41, the "green" OD that is the same shade as RAF Dark Green. Which also goes "brownish" when sun faded. Also that underside color looks like "Mediterranean blue" not "Azure blue."

    As to your painting @eb801 - this looks very nice. Just prepare to "mess it up" after the decals are on with chipping and exhaust stain, etc.

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    Tom Cleaver said 2 years, 4 months ago:

    @ij001 - the AMT A-20 series is pretty cheap (at least to we northern hemisphere First Worlders) on eBay. But of course postage and the necessity to evade Mordor to get to Kiwiland is a problem.

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    Spiros Pendedekas said 2 years, 4 months ago:

    AMT A-20 family has also been reboxed by Italeri (and once by Revell), roughly form the mid-2000s onwards, my friend @ij001 , with very nice decals! Looks like Italeri has acquired those AMT molds. So, maybe you will have some better chances to find one near you at a sensible price.

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    George R Blair Jr said 2 years, 4 months ago:

    Looks terrific, Eric (@eb801). I am just now catching up on this build. I have built a couple of these A-20 kits and have enjoyed them both. The paint looks great, as do the decals. By the way, I just bought this A-20 for about $10 from the consignment section of my local hobby store, so it is still possible to find some of these kits at a reasonable price.

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    Eric Berg said 2 years, 4 months ago:

    TC @tcinla: I was wondering about that Azure blue if that was correct. Most of the modeling paint call outs online specified this color but I should know better than to trust them. I do plan to “mess this up” and give it that “baked in the sun”. Any tips in that department?

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    Tom Cleaver said 2 years, 4 months ago:

    @eb801 - it has now appeared, since research from Roy Sutherland some years back regarding P-40E Kittyhawks painted in desert scheme after arrival, that the dark Mediterranean Blue was used for "in the field" repaints a lot more than one would expect, since it's so dark against such a bright sky. This may be due to Azure Blue being a "new" color the way Ocean Grey was in 1941, and there were shortages so the MB was a substitute.

    The fact these people were so selfishly involved in other activities that kept them from clearly writing down their reasons for everything they did, including proper color chips for clarity, is often frustrating to we modelers. (/snark)

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    Tom Cleaver said 2 years, 4 months ago:

    @fiveten: the words "sensible prices" and "Italeri" cannot be used in the same sentence. 🙂

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    Spiros Pendedekas said 2 years, 4 months ago:

    True, so true, my friend @tcinla 🙂

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    Eric Berg said 2 years, 4 months ago:

    @tcinla and @fiveten: after 8 full days being totally off the grid, I’m back at it. I plan on giving the gloss coat a mist spray of ultra thinned tan or khaki (no white please) to give the paint a “baked in the desert” look.

    Any suggestions?

    Speaking of sensible prices, I scored this Boston kit for free from an out of work real estate aerial photographer/pilot during 2007 recession who was a member of our short lived LHS model club. The guy got behind in his mortgage payments and was downsizing his kit stash getting rid of duplicates. He got totally desperate for cash and then made a huge blunder. He agreed to fly a load of weed from CA out to Michigan only to be met on the tarmac by the DEA. Off he went to prison. But I scored Trimaster/DML’s Ta-152C and H kits, an AM Stormovik, this Ertl A20, an Otaki Hellcat and a terrible Italeri Spit, all gratis thanks to this guy before he disappeared, never to be heard from again.

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    Tom Cleaver said 2 years, 4 months ago:

    @eb801 - Use tan, then a little gray. Ultra-thinned tan and ultra-ultra thin gray

    8 days off and you didn't go crazy from withdrawal? I guess you're lucky you're not me. 🙂

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    Spiros Pendedekas said 2 years, 4 months ago:

    The tan/khaki misting sounds interesting, but I am not sure of the outcome, my friend @eb801. I would suggest to spray on a sort of "test area" first and evaluate the result.
    Oh , my! What a story!

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    Eric Berg said 2 years, 4 months ago:

    @tcinla and @fiveten - Thanks for the color suggestions TC. I am already in the process of making test samples using the wings from that awful Italeri kit, Spiros.

    TC: I didn't experience a bit of digital withdrawal or miss the lack of news one iota. In fact it was a real pleasure and VERY relaxing. Now it's back to this Tuesday's Jan 6 hearings and return to Stressville.
    Somebody once said "Silence is golden. So shut up and we'll all get rich." One thing for sure, modeling is very enriching.

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    Eric Berg said 2 years, 3 months ago:

    Back on the Job Again!

    Hey there Tom @tcinla, John @johnb, Spiros @fiveten and George @gblair and other lookers: here's some new progress:

    Yeah...it's been over three weeks since I last worked on this guy. Part of the delay was a complete lack of red RAF squadron letters and black serial number decals (12”) in my decal dungeon to replicate those as seen in this undated IWM photo of an early model DB7-C/Boston III circa early 1942 in North Africa. A quick order over to Hannants and a week of shipping time solved this. This particular plane Serial Z2162 is getting the "once over" prior to its next mission and belonged to the 24th Squadron of the SAAF. These are the markings I have chosen for this build.


    I had to make that red "G" using a 1/72nd scale two “C” and “G” decals from Xtradecals and sliced them up to replicate the compressed looking "G" on the sides of the rear fuselage.

    Note that this Boston that I am building has cut out cooling vents in the cowls, but the one in this photo doesn’t . All initial early DB7-A/Havoc/Boston III models featured them and were delivered as such to the RAF in the first round of shipments. Shortly afterwards the vents were eliminated, most likely due to sand intake. The remaining vented cowl Bostons in service had them fared over in the field. But no matter how much online and book research I did (along with lots of much valued help from Spiros @fiveten), neither of us could find an image of an African desert Boston with tropical vents. I guess the RAAF took them all as you can find many photos of Aussie Boston III’s with these very vents used in the early days of the South Pacific Theater.

    However, during my descent into this Havoc/Boston rabbit hole, I did find one photo below of a DB-7A with fared over vents undergoing servicing by SAAF ground crews in North Africa, circa early 1942, so they must have been used in the early days of the North Africa campaign.

    All this fact finding aside, I now present my “fantasy” SAAF DB-7A with vented cowls, fully decaled and glossy ready for weathering. I believe this plane lacked the red vertical prop warning markings or maybe they just wore off. Another note: those props in the first b&w photo look unpainted to me, which isn’t going to happen on my version as I have already painted them black.

    After all the decaling was done, I ran this Boston thru a brutal "sand storm" using mists of super thinned tan and light grey in combination with Testor's Dullcote to give it that baked desert - worn out look. I then "sanded" the top surfaces with a couple of Kim Tech wipes to knock back the grittiness of the paint. More desert dirt, “’chipping” and stains are now in progress.

    I can see the finish line up ahead now even without glasses!


    Here’s where I’m at today:

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    George R Blair Jr said 2 years, 3 months ago:

    Your paint and weathering look very convincing, Eric (@eb801). I don't know what it is about this plane and kit that make it appealing, but I like seeing them every time they come up. I especially like them in the desert camo. I have built a couple of them and have two more in the stash, and I still want to build the last two. Must be a disease.

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    Tom Cleaver said 2 years, 3 months ago:

    Very good work on weathering the paint here @eb801. I like this a lot.