Seven Kingdoms and Beyond the Infinite

Started by Aleksandar Sekularac · 40 · 5 years ago
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    david leigh-smith said 5 years, 7 months ago:

    As to the second part of this build, well...

    We have plenty of existential references. The ‘cuboid’. Mmmm. Is GoT a ruse? A gateway, a portal. It does have the right dimensions for the 2001 monolith...

    Go on, another clue. Just one.

    @asekular

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    Aleksandar Sekularac said 5 years, 7 months ago:

    You GoT it my friend! 😉 @dirtylittlefokker
    I don't think you need another clue. The question is just what happens next? Is there going to be a Star King?
    Cheers,
    Aleks

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    Aleksandar Sekularac said 5 years, 7 months ago:

    ...or the Ice Monolith...

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    david leigh-smith said 5 years, 7 months ago:

    The Night King is Dave Bowman?

    @asekular

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    david leigh-smith said 5 years, 7 months ago:

    Loving this, Aleks.

    This has all happened before, and will all happen again.

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    Tom Cleaver said 5 years, 7 months ago:

    The problem with the last season and this season of GoT is that the series moved past George R.R. Martin - he didn't get his next books done in time, so they went on and did their own versions of stories, which means it doesn't have the "layering" that Martin's work did.

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    Aleksandar Sekularac said 5 years, 7 months ago:

    Hi Tom,

    the last season in particular settled into a good vs. evil cliché, whereas for me the main attraction of this series came from its previous lifelike indifference towards superficial moralities and avoidance of what I call "sympathetic character propagation".

    But as I understand, R.R. Martin is still very much writing the story, it is only that the world of the series inevitably diverged from the world of the books (that are not yet written)...

    I have high hopes for the last episodes and will be terrible disappointed if it turns that Ramsay Bolton lied to us when he said: "If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention..."

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    Aleksandar Sekularac said 5 years, 6 months ago:

    I imagine that anyone who cares watched „The Long Night“ episode already. Never the less, here is the spoiler warning: YES the 3rd episode of the 8th season spoils most of the last nine years of Game o’ Thrones carefully built folklore! 🙁

    Tom (@tcinla) did try to warn me, but I was naive in believing that there is some of R.R. Martin’s magic left in this TV show. My hope is now left in shards, just like the Walkers and their King. There is still a ghost of a chance that this was just a traveling band of troubadours disguised as the primeval force from the North, and that in the episode 4 we will see the true Night King, his awesome generals and the plasma-spitting reptile laying waste to the continent. Alas, it is more likely that the D&D franchise is sending developers to the ruins of the Wall, to build exclusive condos for the HBO executives and open a theme park with an exit through the gift-shop, all financed by the Iron Bank… So much potential wasted in one overdrawn nonsensical, poorly lit battle with too many gratuitous saves and diabetes-inducing slo’-mo-s.
    If it was a fizzy drink commercial, I wouldn’t buy it…

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    david leigh-smith said 5 years, 6 months ago:

    Do not lose hope, Aleks. There's the books (if they ever get written).

    For one, I really liked the 'Long Night'. Let's not forget that the Night King is entirely a GoT TV product - he's not even in the books, and the whole 'winter is coming' (with its years long set up) was just a huge ruse to hide the fact hat that the real evil is hidden in plain view.

    I thought the episode was really satisfying and sets up an even better ending. Watch it again and you'll see just how many loooooooong set ups are played out in this battle, and - as in real life - aren't the real monsters ourselves?

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    Aleksandar Sekularac said 5 years, 6 months ago:

    @dirtylittlefokker I did watch it twice, as a matter of fact! For the sake of the early seasons I will hold my final thoughts till the end, but I must admit I am very sceptical now...

    But it is time to continue my own Night King / Ice Monolith chronicles. Here's the current progress; the crackle medium I am using produced very different effect on the monolith and on the surface below NK's feet. This is mostly due to the thickness of the applied layer. Now I am deliberating if to apply a second layer between these big ice pieces, as they seem to wide apart for me...

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    david leigh-smith said 5 years, 6 months ago:

    Aleks, I adore this build. I watched ‘2001’ a few evenings ago just because of this thread and the idea that there is a monolith north of the wall is just a brilliant, creative and thoughtful concept to explore. How did the idea come to you?

    The weathering/fossilisation/growth on the monolith itself is just perfect - looks a million years old.

    Fantastic work, literally AND figuratively...

    @asekular

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    Aleksandar Sekularac said 5 years, 6 months ago:

    Thank you my friend! @dirtylittlefokker

    As for the idea... I like to mull over things that interest me a lot and those tend to be multifaceted and not easy to put your finger on.

    So, when I got the NK figure I was inspired by this very powerful pose and also thinking about the symbolism of Death and fear of unknown on a more abstract level. This is for me what the Night King represents, along the change that he brings to the common order of things. Something primal and unstoppable.

    I started thinking about what could stand against it and also how would it interact with it? First ideas were more banal, like a monster from Alien or a Tiger tank...

    But then I started to extrapolate and think how would this symbol from the world of GoT be able to reach other worlds. I was always fascinated with the clockwork Sun from the opening credits of the GoT series and suspected that it will play a role in explaining how could seasons in this world last sometimes for several years? How complex can orbital mechanics of this Sun be to cause such behaviour? Sun over Westeros... First Men... Dawn of Men... Sun over Monolith... 2001 - my second most favourite film of all times...

    As all powerful symbols, the Monolith from 2001 has many meanings: the catalyst of human evolution, transport system through hyperspace, God itself, TV screen rotated 90° degrees...

    And from there I could think of thousand ways this scene could develop and all were viable and super interesting...
    Cheers,
    Aleks

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    david leigh-smith said 5 years, 6 months ago:

    “viable and super interesting…” is exactly right. This is a superb project. Portals. Doors. Conduits. Catalysts. They are so important to our narratives and mythologies.

    Love this, Aleks.

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    Tom Cleaver said 5 years, 6 months ago:

    Arthur C. Clarke once told me at a SFWA convention 30 years ago or so that the monolith was what he and Kubrick came up with when they couldn't think of anything else.

    Back in the early/mid sixties, when they were working out the script for the movie, Kubrick and Clarke contacted several scientists they believed were on the "cutting edge" (they chose my father because he came up with the way to be sure pre-stressed concrete is solid without having to crack it open - which is why you have never worried about the pres-stressed concrete freeway you're driving on would dissolve beneath your tires - as he said "If I'd been in private industry when I did that, we'd be rich, but if I hadn't been working for the government, no one would have asked the question"). Anyway, they asked "knowing what you know about technological development, what do you think the most interesting thing you know about will be like in 2001?" My father always loved telling the joke on himself that his answer was "solid state electronics will finally be released for civilian use." Of course, the next year he bought a solid-state record player at the local Sears.

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    Aleksandar Sekularac said 5 years, 6 months ago:

    „Arthur C. Clarke once told me at a SFWA convention 30 years ago…“ – how can one argue with that?

    All I can say, I’m glad they “couldn’t think of anything else”. Clear simplicity of the black cuboid leaves freedom for interpretation, yet the perfect geometry leaves no question about its randomness. Any more involved design would just reduce possible associations. Perfect!

    Thanks for sharing this interesting moments from you past Tom! @tcinla