Luftwaffe Flakturm ca. 1943

Started by Michel Verschuere · 205 · 2 years ago
  • Profile Photo
    Colin Gomez said 3 years, 7 months ago:

    This will be very impressive, Michel, For awhile there I though you were going to do the whole tower! At 1/35, it would need it's own room in your house (or and entire building) to contain it. These are indeed awesome works of engineering. I am looking forward to you expert architectural techniques to help us appreciate the construction and operation of the Flak Towers. Model making can be quite an historical learning experience in itself.

  • Profile Photo
    Michel Verschuere said 3 years, 7 months ago:

    Hi @coling
    I don't have the space, I would say unfortunately... I will build a cut-out of the uppermost part of the Zoo tower in Berlin. I once asked the community of they had common space for me and my hobby. I guess I'm not the only modeler who has more ambition than room. Maybe I should start a museum one day 😉

  • Profile Photo
    Louis Gardner said 3 years, 7 months ago:

    Michel, @michel-verschuere
    You mentioned to me that you had an idea for a project and you certainly have picked up a great one to build. These Flakturms were next to impossible to destroy after the war ended from what I have read and seen on several TV shows about them. Going from memory, there is one in Berlin near the railway tracks, that was simply covered up with rubble debris and dirt. It is still accessable, and if I ever make another trip to Germany, Berlin is one my bucket list, along with the museum in Munich.

    About 10 years ago my friends restored several 88MM Flak guns to a nice static display. Here are some pictures if they will be of assistance. I took these shortly after it had been stripped of all previous paints. That's why it looks so rusted. They ended up blasting the rust off shortly after I took these pictures, and immediately painted them to keep it from happening again.




    They also had several German search lights. I believe this is the generator that supplied the power for the search lights.

    I have more if you need them. The other pictures show the close up workings like the gauges that showed the azimuth, deflection and elevation numbers.

    I hope these pictures will help you in some way.

    And yes, you starting a museum would be marvelous !

  • Profile Photo
    Michel Verschuere said 3 years, 7 months ago:

    @lgardner, these are some great pictures. I wonder how relics like that still make it into private hands across the pond! Really amazing things!
    I started working on the elevator caps that were made of cast steel weighing 25t just for the single one! The towers in Berlin had them in cast steel because the elevator shafts needed to be protected against a direct hit. The cast steel is rumored to prevent that, insofar that the bomb would go off before it reached the lower levels of the towers' interior. Here you see these monsters!



    I made a model of all the parts ready to print and in fact, I started printing the roof of the spent cartridge elevator. This is the smaller of the two, but still heavy.
    Here you can see a screenshot taken from the software tool to prep the file that goes in my 3D printer:

    Meanwhile I am finishing the East-German guard tower model!

    Thanks for checking in my friend!

  • Profile Photo
    George R Blair Jr said 3 years, 7 months ago:

    This will be awesome, Michel (@michel-verschuere). I saw a flak tower on one of my visits to Germany, and you really can't appreciate them until you see them in person. Having a 3D printer makes my mouth water...maybe I can convince my wife I really need one?

  • Profile Photo
    Michel Verschuere said 3 years, 7 months ago:

    Hi @gblair thanks for your likes.
    I think there is pro's and cons for owning a 3D printer. I started using my Prusa i3 five years ago:
    https://www.prusa3d.com/

    I learned a lot, first by assembling the Arduino-based machine and then using it. But it's generally a fable that you get sth. out of a 3D printer ready to go. In fact, I printed a part for the elevator shaft cover already which came out warped. Generally I see the pro/cons of owning a 3D printer as follows

    Pro's:

    • Learning to work 3D prints both in the dev stage on the computer and printing itself
    • Ready to use, you can print own designs or forms you found on the web fast
    • There is something about owning 3D printers, of course...

    Cons:

    • 3D printing is an expensive hobby. SLA printers like this (when good and recent) come at a cost
    • As soon as you buy a 3D printer, you fix one moment in time and the technology evolves fast
    • These machines take space, care and learning to print w/o advisory can be a long process, when using better resolution resin printers, the substance stinks and you find yourself cleaning hours after the print job is done #notanicejob

    So in all, I paid my printer 700 USD I think, it came as a kit. I learned from it but in fact, I don't always get the result I would want, especially not in terms of resolution. In fact there are websites where you can submit your own designs for printing by a type of printer of your choice SLA, MSLA etc. I think tha - in the long run - this is more optimal because you save the investment in a printer while you can benefit from the latest tech at any time. Designs come at a cost but you need to be printing a lot in order to justify buying a top notch printer yourself.

    I think I will make a first experiment with such site with this project and then will inform you!

    Take care!
    Michel.

  • Profile Photo
    George R Blair Jr said 3 years, 7 months ago:

    Thanks for your insight, Michel (@michel-verschuere). I have always been attracted by the newest bright and shiny thing, and that's 3D printing right now. Luckily I have always been put off somewhat by the cost and especially by the steep learning curve involved. I have purchased some 3D printed items from companies such as Shapeways, who have a selection that is large enough to supply anything I might need in the foreseeable future.

  • Profile Photo
    Spiros Pendedekas said 3 years, 7 months ago:

    Your 3D model looks great, my friend @michel-verschuere!
    Looking forward to see the 3D prints!

  • Profile Photo
    Louis Gardner said 3 years, 7 months ago:

    Michel, @michel-verschuere
    Thanks for posting pictures that show just how big and thick the metal is on the iron blast doors. Those things were immense and I bet it took some considerable effort to simply open the door, much less carry the ammunition. I can speak from personal experience with loading the 105 MM main gun in our tanks. Depending on the type of round, sabot, HEAT, HEP, as that determined the overall weight, but going from memory these rounds weighed an average of 86 pounds. This is memory so please don't quote me as it could be off a little, but likely not by much. Then they weighed even more I suppose when we went to the M-1A1 because they had a 120 MM smooth bore. I can't imagine trying to stuff a 128 (or bigger) round into a gun breech when the tube was elevated, because your basically lifting the whole round with one arm, all while trying to remain out of the way of the breech during recoil. I know that our 155MM self propelled M-109 Howitzers used ammunition that had the projectile with separate powder bags. This becomes a necessity as the diameter of the ammunition increased because they simply become too heavy for the average person to lift.

    I appreciate the information about 3D printing. A little while ago I was looking into getting a laser, for creating balsa wood aircraft kits, (my other hobby is building RC aircraft... usually 1/6 scale WW1 types), but man those things are crazy expensive. Hopefully as the technology increases, and production costs go down, these too will drop in price. Like anything, there is always a learning curve.

    I look forward to your next installment, and thank you for the explanation on the 3D printing technology.

  • Profile Photo
    Michel Verschuere said 3 years, 4 months ago:

    Finally started off on this one. First step was to start assembling the Takom 2023 Zwilling 128mm Flak kit. This kit did not get the best reports but so far all is well. I think - if given the time - the kit builds into a unique model, though it does not come without care and sanding in that order

    I also decided to build one edge of a G-turm (Gefechtsturm, Gun Tower) for the Berlin Zoo Tower (demolished) around 1943.

    I drafted pland scale 1/100 then set of getting the material. The upper concrete slab is MDF and the rest is hardwood. This is where it stands right now, I'll keep you posted. A thourough sanding job is next.

    Happy modeling!

  • Profile Photo
    Pedro L. Rocha said 3 years, 4 months ago:

    Another impressive scratch masterpiece Michel! Looking forward to see how the Zwilling Flak goes

  • Profile Photo
    John vd Biggelaar said 3 years, 4 months ago:

    This is real craftsmanship, Michel @michel-verschuere
    You got those curves very nicely done.
    Looking forward to the next steps.

  • Profile Photo
    Maarten said 3 years, 4 months ago:

    .

    1 attached image. Click to enlarge.

  • Profile Photo
    Spiros Pendedekas said 3 years, 4 months ago:

    You never stop impressing us with your innovative modeling ideas and amazing skills/craftsmanship, my friend @michel-verschuere!
    Looking super!

  • Profile Photo
    Erik Gjørup said 3 years, 4 months ago:

    Nice base!