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Started by Carl Smoot · 120 · 2 weeks ago
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    Carl Smoot said 3 weeks, 5 days ago:

    Thanks JOhn and Spiros. I didn't realize that incandescent bulbs have stopped being produced which explains why I had so much trouble finding one. Fortunately, there is an alternative. The same type of UV lamp I have been using to cure UV cure resin, can be used for photo etching as long as it has wavelengths in the 350 to 400 nanometer range. These sorts of lamps are fairly cheap to get and I have one being delivered tomorrow.

    I have the sandwich of photoresist , metal, and artwork in a dark box in my garage, so I will try to use it tomorrow after I get the new lamp. If that doesn't work, then I will repeat the process again. But I am hopeful it will work.

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    John vd Biggelaar said 3 weeks, 4 days ago:

    Glad you were able to find an alternative light source, Carl @clipper
    All should work well from now on.

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    Spiros Pendedekas said 3 weeks, 4 days ago:

    Great that you sorted out the lamp situation so effectively, my friend @clipper! Looking forward to the PE results tomorrow!

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    George R Blair Jr said 3 weeks, 4 days ago:

    Wow, Carl (@clipper), who knew this process would be so finicky? Remember the early photoetch used to have that thin plastic sheet attached to it. I bet the early PE used the same process as you are using. I wonder if the light you use is the same as the light used to cure resin. If it is, you might have another source of light.

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    Carl Smoot said 3 weeks, 4 days ago:

    George (@gblair), Spiros (@fiveten), and John (@johnb), Still no luck with the PE process.

    The light I bought is a UV cure light and according to MicroMark tech support, should work okay for this use. (I contacted them). However, increasing the exposure time and even exposing the film to sunlight afterwards still did not solve the problem of the developer washing away all the photoresist film from the brass. I've spent enough money on this that I do not want to spend any more getting a different lamp that still might not work. Tomorrow, I am going to try one last time and if that doesn't work, then I am going to shelve that part of this project and try a different approach which I am experimenting with this evening.

    Namely, using my vinyl cutter to cut out plastic. I originally did not use this approach because I didn't think it could get down to that fine of detail. This is why I tried doing it by hand originally and ultimately thought that wasn't workable. This in turn led to me going down the PE rabbit hole. Anyway, tonight, I tried the vinyl cutter and it actually does cut fine enough. UNfortunately, even with the blade set at the maximum depth, it can't cut completely through the plastic I have (.005 inch) requiring me to finish the cuts by hand.

    I cut a bunch of the louvers pieces so I could try this out. My first attempt at that I cut the part out, then tried to open up the vents and form the louvers, but the plastic disintegrated. For the second attempt, I cut and formed the louvers first, then removed the part from the plastic sheet. That was a little better, but not great. I tested it by gluing the part to my test mule. Even though I was careful to apply liquid cement sparingly, it oozed up out of the louvers and made a mess of them.

    For the third attempt, I cut a small slot in the test mule and then glued another of the louver parts to it without opening up the louvers. When this dries, I will lightly sand it, and then I will try to form the louvers. I am also going to see if I can blend the edges of the part into the fuselage. This may require me cutting a shall ditch for the perimeter of the part.

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    George R Blair Jr said 3 weeks, 4 days ago:

    Hi Carl (@clipper): Sorry this isn't working. I know how frustrating this can be. I had a thought. I also build HO scale (1/87) and N Scale (1/160) trains. It occurred to me that there are window louvers for scale buildings that might work.

    Try these:
    https://www.tichytraingroup.com/SearchResults.aspx?Search=louver
    https://www.rslaserkits.com/Window-Shutters-for-the-N-scale-Tichy-2508-66-windows_p_4186.html

    Good luck.

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    Carl Smoot said 3 weeks, 4 days ago:

    Thanks for the links George (@gblair). I've looked at these as well as others previously and so far none really fits the bill. However, I may have hit upon a way to accomplish this.

    I went back to try the plastic I did earlier this evening and that didn't work out either. I went online looking for options and one fellow mentions forming louvers with a leather punch in aluminum sheet. These would probably be too large for my purposes, but it got me to thinking that I might try using aluminum vent tape.

    To experiment, I cut another slot in the test mule and then pressed some of this aluminum tape over the slot. Then I was going to mark the lines with a pencil and as I did so, I saw that what the pencil did was make indentations that looked surprisingly effective.

    At first they were simply pressed into the aluminum tape and looked pretty good. I added a small bit of black wash and although I think these are a bit overdone now, the technique looks promising. It also occurred to me that I could put a small amount of clay in the slot to provided some semi soft backing for the aluminum tape. This might eliminate the recess that this first example has.

    I'll experiment with this some more tomorrow. At the size of these louvers in 1/48 scale, I think this might be a possibility.

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    Spiros Pendedekas said 3 weeks, 4 days ago:

    Sorry to hear that the PE is still not working, my friend @clipper. Still, I admire your persuasion in finding a solution.

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    George R Blair Jr said 3 weeks, 3 days ago:

    The aluminum tape looks good, Carl (@clipper). Using clay, or similar, might also help prevent distorting the louvers when handling the model.

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    Carl Smoot said 3 weeks, 3 days ago:

    When using foil like this, George (@gblair), it would be best to leave the louvers until after all the seam work and such is done. I think this approach has some merits and uses in the future. However, I believe I now have the solution. When I went to bed last night, I was thinking about different ways to accomplish the correct shape in the foil, and I realized I had some micro chisels. I was thinking that I could use a slightly thicker piece of metal, for example a pie tin, and then back it up with a piece of wood. Using the chisels, I would then lightly tap the chisel through the pie tin material into the wood. And then, to make it even more likely to work, I could first gouge out a small chisel shape in the wood.

    Well, I was all set to try that out this morning, when I realized I was overthinking it. So here's what I did instead. I laid out the pattern of the slots on the test mule using a pencil and ruler to get the spacing correct. I can be extra careful when doing this on the actual model, but this test shows the process.

    Then using the micro chisel , I placed it on each line at an angle and lightly dug it into the plastic. I think, you will agree that this gives the best results so far. Best part about this is that I can do it later just before painting, and there is no seam work involved in trying to blend in the edges of a separate part. So here's the photo of the test. The spacing is a bit wide, and I will reduce this on the model. And here is the chisel I used to accomplish the work.

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    George R Blair Jr said 3 weeks, 3 days ago:

    The louvers look great, Carl (@clipper), and really do look like they are supposed to. My only worry would be that you are doing this on the actual model. So, "measure twice and tap once" would certainly apply. You would also think that the hardness of the plastic might play a role here. Looking forward to the results.

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    Carl Smoot said 3 weeks, 3 days ago:

    There definitely is a "Get It Right The First Time" aspect about this George (@gblair). You could easily enough repair any damage, but subsequent attempts at creating the louvers would be problematical with the difference in materials. An alternative would be to use a piece of scrap model plastic, (or maybe even sheet styrene) to create the louvers in, and then cut out a spot on the model to glue them into. I think sheet styrene would probably be less desirable because it is much softer plastic and tends to melt when glued into position. It also is more difficult to blend in even with putty because of the difference between it and the surrounding model plastic.

    I am going to practice a few times on the test mule and if I feel like I can do it acceptably and consistently, then I will do it on the model. Otherwise I will use the alternative approach using piece of plastic cut out of some scrap model part. It'll have to be blended using that alternative approach, but no more a problem than any other joint except that the area this goes in is already quite cramped.

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    Spiros Pendedekas said 3 weeks, 3 days ago:

    Very nice and promising technique, my friend @clipper! Looking forward to the results!

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    George R Blair Jr said 3 weeks, 3 days ago:

    I have seen you do some amazing stuff, Carl (@clipper), so I am sure you will get it done. Looking forward to the results.

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    Carl Smoot said 3 weeks, 3 days ago:

    Thanks Spiros (@fiveten) and George (@gblair). This has been an interesting effort in learning. I think the PE problem is probably two things. The light I have is probably not strong enough and exposure time needs to increase. And I think the lines on my artwork are so thin, that they don't hold up to the developer when cleaning off the photoresist. I'll leave that experiment for a future day. I would like to master the PE process at some point.