1/48 scale ICM Ki-21 "Sally"

Started by Louis Gardner · 143 · 9 months ago
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    Tom Cleaver said 11 months, 2 weeks ago:

    This is looking really nice, @lgardner. thanks for that drawing of the camo. That one's a candidate!

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    Louis Gardner said 11 months, 2 weeks ago:

    Tom Cleaver (@tcinla)
    Thank you for the kind words... I thought you might enjoy it, and I immediately thought of you when I first saw it. I was thinking about possibly changing mine up to reflect this style too. I have several AVG P-40's coming up soon, and they would look good parked next to this one.

    I'm still partial to the kit supplied #4 option with camouflage mottling and Yellow leading edge wing IFF stripes though. I don't know for sure which way this one will go yet. Like you, it's a contender for me too.

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    Tom Cleaver said 11 months, 2 weeks ago:

    @lgardner - Here are two other color profiles of Sallys in interesting camouflage. I like the dappled green over the JAAF green-gray, which apparently is from the Battle of Rangoon period. That's the two 60th Sentai airplanes, one on each of the pages.

    2 attached images. Click to enlarge.

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    Louis Gardner said 11 months, 2 weeks ago:

    Tom Cleaver (@tcinla)
    Thank you for sharing these with me. Now it's really getting interesting... decisions, decisions. This is going to be a hard one to make.

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    Spiros Pendedekas said 11 months, 2 weeks ago:

    Awesome progress and ditto looks, my friend @lgardner! Looking forward to your next steps and, of course, your camo choice!

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    John vd Biggelaar said 11 months, 2 weeks ago:

    You made some good progress, Louis @lgardner
    Indeed a lot of canopy masking ahead on this Sally.
    Looking forward to it.

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    Louis Gardner said 11 months, 2 weeks ago:

    Spiros Pendedekas (@fiveten)
    John vd Biggelaar (@johnb)

    Thank you my friends for the kind words. This evening I have been looking for actual pictures of wartime Ki-21’s. There’s not too many of them out there.

    But I have found some decent ones. I’m still unsure of exactly what camouflage scheme I will use on this model but I have options / details that I need to research better first.

    Tom Cleaver (@tcinla)
    Like Tom, I was thinking about building something that flew against the AVG in the China / Burma / India Theater.

    I was listening to the TV while working on the Sally tonight. This is something I usually do while building models. It caught my attention when one television program ended on the Military History Channel, and I heard them announce that tonight's episode of "Dogfights" would be coming on next.

    I didn't even realize this show was on the air tonight. Then topping it off, it was a very relevant episode.

    Ironically tonight’s episode of the History Channel series named “Dogfights” was actually about the Flying Tigers, the same episode that I was talking about earlier with Tom.


    I grabbed my cell phone and snapped these two pictures, showing the end of the line for two different Ki-21's, albeit in CGI.

    Naturally I took this as a sign that I really should build a plane from one of these Japanese Army units.

    So far I have discovered there were at least 4 different IJAAF units flying Ki-21Sally's that flew against the American pilots flying in the AVG. Now I’m much more inclined to build something that will work for this. I have done some research online, and determined which Japanese Army Sentai’s flew the Ki-21 Sally, and also fought against the AVG pilots.

    The reason why this is special for me, is that one time I got to meet with Dick Rossi, who was a "Flying Tiger" pilot. But that's another story in itself... and plus I have a killer set of Eagle Cal decals for his P-40 (also in 1/48 scale), and one for "Pappy" Boyington is on the same set. You see where this is going ... two more Airfix P-40's coming up soon out of the Kindergarten.

    I was not very impressed with the appearance of the landing lights located in the leading edge of the wings. There’s a big seam that runs through the molded in landing lights. It’s fairly noticeable.

    So I decided to cover the whole thing with some very thin plastic sheeting. Then I painted it with my version of Aotake. Originally I had planned to use a set of leftover clear lenses for the lights.

    A better option would be to use a pair of MV lenses because they look like tiny headlights. But I don’t have any available right now.

    It turned out that the lights I chose to use were too thick and they would not allow the clear lens cover to be mounted correctly.

    Instead of using these lights from the spares bin, I punched out a set of small round circles, then I glued them in place. I think it’s a little bit better looking now than it was before these alterations.

    I was surprised at how much time it took to do this. Right now I don’t have much spare time for building stuff.



    Unfortunately I was in the zone, and didn't take any photos of the process. These last two pictures show what the lights look like now. It's an improvement over the way these parts are engineered right out of the box.

    I'll have to let this glue dry overnight, and then try to polish the lenses out better tomorrow.


    Meanwhile I have started the masking. I have found that Tamiya makes a roll of tape that is almost the identical width as some of the windows are on the canopies.

    It's a 6 MM roll.

    This makes masking things a whole lot easier. I have not made a photo copy of the supplied masking pattern yet. Time will tell if I do that or not now.

    If I do end up building a plane from one of the Sentai's that fought against the AVG Flying Tigers, I will have to remove the Yellow stripes on the leading edges of both wings. Going from memory, these stripes began appearing on Japanese aircraft sometime around September of 1942. The Flying Tiger's were disbanded in July of the same year, so the aircraft they encountered would not have the Yellow LE stripes..

    That's it for tonight. Please stop by again soon for another update.

    As always, comments are encouraged. Good night.

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    Carl Smoot said 11 months, 2 weeks ago:

    Looking good Louis. Landing lights on the leading edges are always tricky. Depending upon how you do it, there are several ways to approach this. One is with a solid piece of acrylic drilled from the back side to represent the light and then painted with white or appropriate color. If the lights are colored, and there is a clear version of that color available, then the clear color, followed by a bit of chrome from a Molotov pen.

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    Spiros Pendedekas said 11 months, 2 weeks ago:

    Excellent job on the landing lights, my friend @lgardner! And yes, the Universe seems to guide you with you camo choice!

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    Tom Cleaver said 11 months, 2 weeks ago:

    @lgardner - as far as Ki.21 units in the battle of Rangoon, from what I researched for "I Will Run Wild," the 60th Sentai was the one that got hit the hardest on December 23 and 25, so fortunately the kit decals have markings that work after I choose the camo. I am pretty much certain it'll be the "field-applied" green dapple over the JAAF green-gray.

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    John vd Biggelaar said 11 months, 2 weeks ago:

    Some very good progress, Louis @lgardner
    Glad to see that at least you have some luck with that Tamiya masking tape, reduces the amount of work a lot.
    We do have History Channel here but not Military History, which does seem so have much better articles.

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    Chuck A. Villanueva said 11 months, 2 weeks ago:

    That is great progress so far Louis. ICM has really stepped up with some interesting subjects both aircraft and armor. The Sally looks good so far and builds rather quickly. Then your process is quicker than mine as I start painting before assembling. Looking forward to the next step.

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    Louis Gardner said 11 months, 2 weeks ago:

    Carl Smoot (@clipper)
    Thanks for the tips on the landing lights. I have never tried using acrylic rod before. I do regularly use a Molotow pen though. That's what I used on the home made punched out circular discs. I really wish I had a pair of MV lenses. They really look like a miniature headlight bulb. I used one on a 1/35 scale T-34 tank once, and the effects were outstanding.

    Spiros Pendedekas (@fiveten)
    Thank you my friend. Yes it is funny how things work at times... it's almost like we get a gentle push towards doing something. The signs are always there, you just have to see it at the time. This one was rather obvious though. Please tell QC1 and QC2 that we said hello.

    Tom Cleaver (@tcinla)
    Hey Tom. Thanks for stopping by.

    Yes what you said was exactly what I have read too. I am fairly certain that the 60th Sentai lost 5 bombers out of 15 on the December 23rd mission. The 60th, 62nd, and 98th Sentai's were all involved in the December 23 missions. They all suffered heavy loss rates due to the AVG and the RAF. A few days later on Christmas Day, the 12th Sentai was added into the mix. On this day alone, the Japanese lost 35 bombers and fighters.

    Chances are I will use the kit supplied decals like you are for the 60th Sentai, since they are included it makes sense to keep things simple. Now I need to figure out which type of filed applied camouflage to use. Sounds like we are in the same boat.

    John vd Biggelaar (@johnb)
    Hey John... Yes I have been lucky with the Tamiya tape. It is almost the identical width as some of the glass panels. I really like the Military History Channel. The regular History Channel is good too though. I really like how your Corsair turned out. You have done a magnificent job with it. I'm glad things have warmed up just enough over there for you to continue working on it. Paint doesn't dry well when it's cold...

    Chuck A. Villanueva (@uscusn)
    Hey Chuck, thanks for stopping by. I agree with you that ICM has really done a great job with this model. I like the choices they have made for new tool kits. It would be nice to see more Japanese twin engine bombers made by them, or any major main steam model company. I think they would sell like hot cakes if they did... If you decide to start building your Sally, you can post it here if you like.

    I like to build before painting when I can. I think it makes a stronger glue joint. It is harder to paint this way though, so that's the draw back to this building method.

    I have done some more color research online, and I'm going to post it up next, so everyone please stay tuned.

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    Louis Gardner said 11 months, 2 weeks ago:

    I have still been working on our full time house repair project, so my model building time has been very limited.

    However, I have done some more online research on the colors that were used on the exterior of the Ki-21 "Sally". They were all factory painted using a Japanese Army color called JAAF #1 Hairyokushoku. It's a light Green / Gray color with a little bit of a Blue tint to it.

    http://www.aviationofjapan.com/2008/03/army-hairyokushoku-part-1.html

    Back in 2008 Nick Millman wrote this article about the color. He has included several computer generated color chips, to give us a good idea of what it should look like. He also posted a photo of a Japanese Army bomb sight. You will notice it is painted in this color. The one shown in the picture has been stored inside a box for years, so the paint is still in excellent condition. The reason I believe these bomb sights were painted in this color is because they protrude past the fuselage when mounted in the aircraft. This allows the sight to blend into the surrounding painted areas, less compromising the camouflaged effects.

    Typically, when I paint a color for the first time, I will spray out a color card, using a regular paper index card. Then I write on it the back of it, the color, name and paint manufacturer. I have been compiling a color chip deck for several years now by doing this.

    Tamiya has a color called XF-14 J.A. Grey. I'm guessing it is supposed to be their version of this Army color.

    I had sprayed a card for it, but it didn't look quite right to me when I compared it to Nick Millman's color chips online.

    I also realized (too late), that I previously painted the area under the dorsal gunner glass using a Japanese Navy color... I also painted the bomb bay doors using the same Ameiro Japanese Navy color and this is not correct. It is more of a light olive or tan color than the Army version. Ooops. My bad.

    I can't fix the painted area under the green house canopy on the dorsal part of the fuselage, because the clear part has been permanently glued in place. I can however repaint the bomb bay doors, so I will...

    I was thinking to myself about where I had seen a color that closely resembled the ones in the color chips on the Aviation of Japan website.

    Then it hit me... It was a WW2 German Luftwaffe model paint color that looked very close to this. So I pulled the cards I had made, and sprayed out several more using some new paints I had picked up recently.


    This is a picture of the color chips that came from the Aviation of Japan website. The closest match is on the center right side of the photo. You can also see the original Japanese Army bomb sight just to the left of it.

    Here are my color chip index cards for similar colors. The top row are all RLM Luftwaffe paint colors by MRP. The bottom two samples are Tamiya, with the XF-14 on the right, which looks way too dark to me.

    The lighter shade color card on the lower left side is a custom color I mixed up for a Ki-10 "Perry" biplane several years ago. It is close but still not right to my eyes.


    This is a close up of the RLM color chip that comes the closest to the original Japanese color as best I can tell in person. I'm using an Ott light to illuminate it in this super close up photo. The Ott light is advertised as supposed to be close to natural lighting, and I use it occasionally for taking pictures simulating natural light.

    I can say this color card looks very good in person, because I know colors will look different based on the lighting, and even computer monitors.


    This is my choice. I'm going with MRP paint. It's a Luftwaffe RLM 76 color.

    The paint bottle part number is MRP-066 and it's called "Lichtblau" WW II Germany.

    I think it is a closer match than anything I have in my paint collection.

    Another possible color option could be to look into the various shades of WW2 RAF "Sky" colors. I think they too will be close, but you will have to do your homework for that.

    So there you have it. I'm using a German paint on a Japanese airplane... 🙂

    Trust me, it looks very close in real life.

    As always, thanks for stopping by, and comments are encouraged.

    Good night.

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    George R Blair Jr said 11 months, 2 weeks ago:

    Color looks good, Louis (@lgardner). You are a lot more scrupulous than I would be. I usually just pick something close and fly with it. AK Real Colors has these individual colors, but I have never used this specific Japanese color. Model is really looking great.