Combo build: Ilyushin Il-2 Stormovik (Accurate Miniatures / Revell in 1/48 and Tamiya in 1/72)

Started by John vd Biggelaar · 680 · 1 year ago · Accurate Miniatures, Il-2, Ilyushin, Revell, Stormovik
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    John vd Biggelaar said 2 years, 4 months ago:

    @gblair, good work on the stubs. I did leave a bit of the axle on but am wondering if it is sufficient. Well, if not, I can use your approach to create larger stubs.

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    Spiros Pendedekas said 2 years, 4 months ago:

    @inflames : who knows?

    @gblair and @eb801 : I found the Eduard instructions for their reboxed and beefed up with their usual goodies much more followable (I had to interpret some areas where those goodies were used instead of the kit parts, but, really, nothing too serious).

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    Eric Berg said 2 years, 4 months ago:

    @fiveten - I agree Spiros. Eduard did a better job but upon close inspection they just redrew the AM instruction diagrams in the Eduard style and deleted the poorly written AM text.

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    Erik Gjørup said 2 years, 4 months ago:

    Gents, what a great little topic-GB you got going here. Very interesting to follow, and with Zvezda and Tamiya boxes in the stash I shall make good use of this topic when time permits me to get started one day. Thanks for sharing!

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    George R Blair Jr said 2 years, 4 months ago:

    You are right, Erik (@airbum). I let Spiros (@fiveten) and John (@johnb) clear the path, and then I just follow along. :o)

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    John vd Biggelaar said 2 years, 4 months ago:

    @airbum, thanks, Erik. It has indeed become a great little GB. Very nice to see all the different approaches.
    @gblair, everybodies advices are very helpful and have helped taking some difficult hurdles.

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    George R Blair Jr said 2 years, 4 months ago:

    The stars seemed to have aligned today and I am now in a position to start painting. I added a bunch of small bits to the elevators and rudders, which I now regret because they will be in the way when I mask the rudder and elevators after painting. There was no mask for the landing light in the Eduard masking set for this plane, but I masked all of the other glass. I glued the fixed canopy portions (windscreen plus center section of canopy) to the fuselage, then temp-glued the sliding sections using white glue. There is no better protection for the cockpit when painting the plane than the canopy itself. When everything was dry, I painted the cockpit color on the canopy first so that the cockpit color will be visible on the inside of the canopy framework and then painted the rudder, elevators, and ailerons in a light gray color. I used Tamiya Panzer Gray sprayed from a spray can for the canopy, and Vallejo Gray from a spray can for the control surfaces. I really like using Vallejo spray cans for some jobs. The pigment is very fine, it dries very flat, and the spray pressure is much less than others. You even get two nozzles with the can, one regular and one fine. The paint scheme has taken a bunch of research (and in the end a lot of guessing), but the research has been fun, as usual. More on the paint scheme later. Everyone stay safe. Cheers.

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    George R Blair Jr said 2 years, 4 months ago:

    My Color Conundrum:
    First, some historic background. In 1944, the Soviets formed two units in their air armada that were composed entirely of Yugoslavians. At the end of the war in 1945, the Yugoslavian Air Force was formed. Stalin wanted to reward the service of the Yugoslavians in the fight against Hitler, so he sent large numbers of various types of Soviet airplanes to the newly formed air force. The Soviets and the Yugoslavians had a falling out in 1948, and their alliance ends. For our purposes, this means that a lot of the former Soviet practices end in 1948, and the Yugoslavians start doing their own thing. The painting schemes used in the air force for their planes begin to change in 1948.

    Figuring out the paint scheme for my model:
    I am building an IL-2m3, the Soviet tank hunter that could punch holes in tanks all the way up to and including Tiger and Panther tanks. The IL-2 was supplied in great numbers to the Yugoslavians. I discovered a photo of a very interesting plane that had its camouflage over-painted with black (or dark gray) paint for use as a night fighter. I then discovered a set of decals for this plane.


    I wanted to find out more about this plane, which led to the conundrum. The diagram with the decals has the tail and fuselage stripes painted yellow. I found a black and white photo of the plane which made me think that the tail and stripes were not yellow.

    The more I researched, the more sure I became that the rudder and stripes weren't yellow. The decals also depict a camouflaged plane that had been over-sprayed with a black paint that was peeling off, especially on the underside of the stripes. Some sources suggest the plane was originally a solid gray color, others say it was in the old Soviet Green-Black-Sand camo, and others say it was in a dark gray-light gray scheme used by the Yugoslavians. Most sources say the plane had the azure blue underside. At some point, one of these schemes was covered with black paint that began to wear off.


    At this point I found a great website by Massimo Tessitori called Soviet Warplanes:
    https://massimotessitori.altervista.org/
    Massimo has two websites, a huge one on Soviet planes and another one on armor. He has written a book on the Mig 1-Mig 3. His website has a tremendous number of contemporary photos, which he has analyzed in detail. From this, he has a large number of 3-view diagrams based on his research and analysis.

    His analysis cemented my belief that the yellow color on this plane is incorrect. He has photos of this specific plane, and he points out:
    -The color on the rudder appears to be a light gray. Planes in this unit were known to have their rudders, elevators, and ailerons painted a light gray for maintenance purposes. When you compare the color on the tail to the white in the tail insignia, it is clear that the color is not white. His website has photos of other planes in the unit that are known to have light gray flying surfaces, and they appear to be the same color as my plane.
    -The color on the stripes does appear to be white. When you compare the white in the tail insignia to the color of the stripes, they appear to be the same.
    -Some sources say the azure blue on the underside was not over-painted, but it is clear in the photo that the top and bottom of the plane are the same color, namely faded black.
    -You can't see it in the photo, but apparently in the original photo you can see the camo that has been over-painted. I am assuming that these planes had been repainted in the dark gray/light gray camo used by Yugoslavia and then over-painted in black.




    Well, this has been a long story, but I think it was really fun to do some footwork. I went from thinking something didn't look right to finding a website where they knew why it didn't look right. So, I plan to start with a dark gray-light gray camo over azur blue, with very light gray on the flying surfaces. The fuselage stripes will be white. Then I will over-spray the plane with diluted black paint, and then chip some of the black paint off near the area of the lower white stripes. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. Should be fun. Sorry about the long explanation. :o) Aloha.

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    John vd Biggelaar said 2 years, 4 months ago:

    Your progressing nicely, George @gblair
    Those Eduard masks are really helpful, wish I would have bought them as well.
    Your research results are very interesting and nice to read. Really looking forward to see your Il2 with the scheme you have chosen.

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    Spiros Pendedekas said 2 years, 4 months ago:

    Great painting results so far, my friend @gblair!
    Wow! Some truly deep and overall amazing research regarding your plane.
    Your color interpretation is correct. Thanks for the website info!

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    George R Blair Jr said 2 years, 4 months ago:

    Thanks, John (@johnb) and Spiros (@fiveten). I was amazed by the website from Mossimo Tessitori, which really seems like a one-stop place for info on Soviet planes. I haven't tried the armor site yet. We are scheduled for the newest Covid booster shot today, but I haven't had any trouble with the boosters, so I should be able to get some painting done. I was planning on doing some preshading, but I am not sure it will work with so many layers of paint. We'll see.

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    John vd Biggelaar said 2 years, 4 months ago:

    @gblair, I agree with you on Mossimo's website, very informative and combined with some very interesting schemes.
    Good luck on your booster shot.

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    Spiros Pendedekas said 2 years, 4 months ago:

    Best of luck from me as well, my friend @gblair! Looking forward to your painting!

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    George R Blair Jr said 2 years, 4 months ago:

    I have survived booster #2 of the Covid cycle and feel fine. So, now its time to paint. I had already painted the rudder, elevators, and ailerons in light gray, but realized I complicated things by gluing the actuating rods in place. I had to mask over, under, and around the rods. Dumb mistake. I mixed the azure blue for the underside using Tamiya Light Blue and Flat Blue. I like mixing my own sometimes, right up to the point that the paint cup gets empty and I am faced with trying to match the original mix. I managed to finish all of the underside with one mix, so I mixed up a darker version of the azure blue and sprayed some panel lines. I don't know if the panel lines will be visible under the thin black layer that is coming, but we'll see.

    As I sat back admiring my paint work, I realized I had made two planning errors. Remember one step forward and two steps back? First, I should have painted the white stripes around the rear fuselage first. I figure I will paint them like they were painted in real life: paint all the camo first, then paint the stripes on top. Second, I realized I can't use the sliding portions of the canopy as a mask for the topside painting because they cover a portion of the non-moving part of the canopy. So, I pulled off my sliding canopies and replaced them with tape. I'm just glad I realized this now rather than after finishing the whole plane. Topside painting tomorrow. Cheers.

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    Spiros Pendedekas said 2 years, 4 months ago:

    Paintong looks great, my friend @gblair! Glad you easily overcame your two issues.