Operation Vengeance Tamiya P-38 ”Miss Virgina, G4M-1 ”Yamamoto” Betty, and A6M-3 Zero in 1/48 scale

Started by Louis Gardner · 102 · 4 years ago
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    Andrew H said 5 years ago:

    Glad you got some use out of the references. As stated, I am no specialist in Japanese aircraft, just interested in learning. Im sure that there are better resources, but likely print form, and maybe even in Japanese. Researching history online can present a lot of grey areas, as sources are seldom cited and info can be erroneously propagated like wildfire. Fortunately, modeling is just a fun hobby, and things like this can be settled as "good enough". I'm glad this info gives you enough of a reason to build both, and feel justified in doing so. Maybe time will tell all.

    Looking forward to more build progress!

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    Louis Gardner said 5 years ago:

    Andrew, @pb_legend

    This information you provided the links to was exactly what I was looking for... Sincerely I thank you for sharing this with us. It's perfect.

    I agree with this being a hobby. I typically try to build my planes as accurate as I can. Part of the joys of this hobby we share, is our love of history, and the thrill of the hunt... looking for the ever elusive quarry we call factual information.

    Your leads were spot on.

    I hope that you continue to follow along with us on this journey. Now I have a great reason to build the Hasegawa A6M-3's... Perfect.

    Again I thank you.

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    David A. Thomas said 5 years ago:

    Mind-bending accuracy on this build, Louis. Wow...

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    Louis Gardner said 5 years ago:

    Thank David ! @davidathomas
    I'm trying my best... I have had some considerably help along the way. And it's much appreciated.

    I can't believe how much I have learned on this journey so far... and it's just getting started !

    Please stay tuned for the next installment. It's about mathematics.

    1 + 1 +1 = 3 Zero's.
    Add 2 more... and there's 5 Zero's !

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    Louis Gardner said 5 years ago:

    Yep... you heard it. This guy is off his rocker ! Nurse we need his psych meds ! Bring the funny looking white jacket with the straps and get the butterfly net...
    Originally the plan was to build two Tamiya A6M-3 Zero's.


    After researching this subject further, together we have found out that there could have been two different Zero models flying alongside as escorts for the Admiral.

    I had another clipped wing Zero in the stash that was made by Hasegawa. It was when I realized it was possible I had the wrong Model Zero, that I started looking for a Model 22 with round wing tips.

    So I picked up two more on EBay at a great price. Now I have 3 of the Hasegawa Zeros to go along with the original Tamiya kits.


    I usually try to paint multiple builds at the same time and I like to spray the same color in an assembly line fashion.

    Since the interior and wheel wells of the Betty were painted Mitsubishi Green, as were the cockpits of the A6M-3 Zero's I figured I would pull out all of the stops and crank out a bunch of Zeros like I recently did with my Spitfires.

    Hang on it's gong to be a wild ride...

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    Louis Gardner said 5 years ago:

    Here we go...
    I'll call this my Itsy Bitsy assembly line... This will not include 5 A6M-3 Zero's.

    I didn't realize it at the time, but all of the A6M-3's were manufactured by Mitsubishi. None were made by Nakajima. Because of this it is highly likely they all used the same color for the interior. It is now widely accepted that Mitsubishi Interior Green is very similar to FS 34151 "Interior Green" that is typically found on American aircraft. It's not quite an exact match as it is supposed to be a little more yellow. This color doesn't have an exact match using the Federal Standards system. I found this picture online of a Zero seat. I don't know if it's correct, as this is in a restored plane...

    Notice how the light affects the cockpit colors.


    I posted it because it shows the various holes that are present in the seat.

    I drilled out these holes in the kit supplied parts. I used a #64 and a #73 drill bit to do this. The drilled out seats were then sanded down to make them look a little thinner.


    These are the seats from the Tamiya kits. You can see how much thinner the seats look after sanding.

    Next I prepped all of the cockpit parts for the Tamiya Zeros.

    I assembled one to show you how it looks sitting next to the parts from the other Tamiya Zero. This is an easy build and the parts fit very good.

    Here you can see the Tamiya cockpits from both sides.

    The details are decent on the fuselage sidewalls.

    Next I glued the fuselage halves together.

    And then temporarily placed the cockpit inside to show how much detail is visible in the Tamiya kit.




    Now it was time to do the same thing again, but this time it's the Hasegawa kit. You can see the seats are very similar, and look decent once the holes are drilled and the sides thinned down a little.
    The untouched part is on the left.

    One of the Hasegawa cockpits was assembled.



    Then I placed it into the assembled fuselage to show you the differences.

    As expected, the Hasegawa kit is better. It should be, since it's a lot newer.
    Here you can see the results of tonight's bench time.
    The Hasegawa Zero is on the left. A Tamiya Zero is in the middle and on the right side in the last photo.

    I still have two more Hasegawa Zeros to build. Hopefully I can get to them tomorrow, and also start the P-38.

    I have built both companies Zero kits in the past. The Tamiya kit goes together quickly and is a relaxing build. The Hasegawa version is a very nice kit with more detail, but it is just a little harder to build.

    On both kits, the fit is exceptional, and I can recommend both...

    As always,
    Comments are encouraged.

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    George R Blair Jr said 5 years ago:

    This should be quite a challenge to build so many kits, although it makes a lot of sense when you consider that you really do save some time doing them all together. I suspect things will go quickly until you start on the exteriors. I suspect I would have already the parts from the various kits in the wrong box, and then wondering why something didn't fit. Looking forward to watching these kits move forward together.

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    David A. Thomas said 5 years ago:

    Louis, you will be certifiable if you build every P-38 that went on that mission...:-)

    So, what's after this? Operation Bodenplatte?

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    James B Robinson said 5 years ago:

    David @davidathomas, Easy there! You don't want to send him over the edge do you? You know how he gets when challenged! LOL 🙂

    Louis @lgardner, I have two questions:

    1. What are you using to shoot your photos? They are very good.
    2. What did you use to sand the seats? Dremel tool or by hand?

    Looking great as expected!

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    Louis Gardner said 5 years ago:

    Hello again everyone ! Yesterday was Veteran's Day here in the US. Our family has been serving in the US military since the American Revolution, and I also served in the Army just like my Dad. I wanted to take a moment to give a shout out to our men and women who are in uniform today and say thank you for what you do for us.

    George, @gblair
    It's going to be a challenge keeping everything separated. What I typically do is place each plane back into their respective boxes at the end of each building session. That's about the hardest thing to do. Otherwise, it's actually much easier for me building them this way. Your comments about painting the exteriors are spot on. About a year ago I built up 4 Hasegawa 1/48 scale F6F Hellcats at the same time. Things moved along at a lightning pace until I started spraying the outside of each plane... Naturally I had picked out different paint schemes for each one. Then it seemed to drag on a bit. But I'm happy with how these usually turn out building multiples at once. I had a similar experience when I made 4 Tamiya FW-190A-4s...and my 8 Spitfires that morphed into 12 (5 of which have not been finished, the GB ended before I got them done). It works for me. Most of the time.

    Thanks !

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    Louis Gardner said 5 years ago:

    Hey David ! @davidathomas

    If I tried something that crazy I would definitely be certifiable ! Beyond a doubt ... But I very well could be adding another P-38 and another Betty to this build. I don't have to finish them all by April 18th, just 3 planes. A P-38, Yamamoto's Betty and a single escort Zero.

    As far as the next projects go, first I have to finish up your PBY Catalina. I might build my other Monogram Cat at the same time as I build yours. Once that's done I have been thinking about building a 1/48 scale Monogram B-29 using Bare Metal Foil as a finish, another B-25J as a dedication to another lost family member, and finally getting my B-17G done as "A Bit O Lace"...it was started many years ago and still sits in the box.

    Besides these planned aircraft projects, I have been wanting to build up some WW2 German Armor using the Late War circular disc camouflage patterns. I have a DML 1/35 Panther tank and a new tool Tamiya Stug IV L/70 lined up for this armor project. Also in the next year I have plans to build up some 1/48 ICM kits... namely the Ju-88A5 and Dornier Do-17Z. But first I have to finish what is on the table now the He-111, which I have been working on a little here and there (believe it or not).

    These are the plans, there's a lot happening but sadly no Bodenplatte... I do happen to have a bunch of FW-190's and Bf-109's so that could be a future possibility... Hmmmm. You got he wheels turning for a future Group Build idea.

    But it would most likely have to wait for another idea I had for a Group Build that would be called "Wings of the Emperor" and it would be solely dedicated to Japanese aircraft. This thought has been received very well so far.

    Another idea I had for a future Group Build idea would last 3 years... it would be simply called "Korea, the Forgotten War" and it would start on June 25th, 2020 and last through July 27th, 2023 exactly 70 years to the date after this "Forgotten War" happened. Anything that was used during this conflict could be built. This gives ample time and the builder would have a lot to chose from. I have a bunch of the Hobby Boss F4U's and they would fit the bill nicely.

    This Korean War GB would serve as a tribute to the men and women who served there. My Dad was one of these persons.

    These are the plans coming up from the "Iron Werks"...

    Thanks David ! You're the best.

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    Louis Gardner said 5 years ago:

    James ! @jamesb
    Ha ha ... You made me chuckle with that one. I'm not crazy enough to tackle something like that ! Even I know when to say enough is enough. Well, probably not always... I have the occasional Oops moments.

    Thanks for the compliments on my photos. I simply use the camera that's in my cell phone. It's an older IPhone 6S plus, but it has a very good camera built right into it.

    As far as the seats are concerned... Once I drilled out the holes, I reamed them just a little using a small pointed file. After a few twists, I blew the parts off to get rid of the plastic filings so I could better examine the work. Once I was happy with the results, I sanded the edges of the seat.

    I simply took a small sheet of 400 grit wet / dry sand paper and placed it flat on the work bench. Then I placed the flat sides of the seat on the sandpaper and after a little bit of work, the sides looked visibly thinner. I used the same sand paper to shape the upper edges of the seat. Here I only sanded the top edge and made it look more like the real Zero seat. You don't have to worry about sanding the entire seat back. The upper edge is all that you need to work on, since the seat has a curve, and it would be very hard to thin out the entire seat back.

    The upper portion of the seat is what you see anyhow. This sort of tricks your eye into believing the entire seat is thin when it's not. I have used this trick on many of my builds when the kit supplied parts look a little too thick. It's even harder to distinguish once the seat is painted and the cockpit is installed into the fuselage. You don't have to sand the entire seat back.

    Before I did that, I would consider scratch building a new seat using flat sheet plastic. It's not too hard to build one using aluminum from a soda can also. Then you can press in bead lines like some of the real seats had. Aluminum scratch built seats look very realistic...

    Hope this helps !

    and thank you very much for the compliments.

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    Chuck A. Villanueva said 5 years ago:

    Thats a great idea Louis, I'm in on a long term GB. All the aircraft that would be involved, USN, USAF, RAAF, Chinese and Korean Air, (MiG-15,PE-2, and Yak-9's). Like the Kasserine Pass GB, we could also have ground units. For the armor gang. My dad was in the Army as well but his unit didn't make it over. He spent most of his time at Fort Ord near Monterey Bay, California

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    Louis Gardner said 5 years ago:

    I have two of the new Tamiya P-38's now. If I could find a set of decals for Lamphier's plane "Phoebe" I'd build it in a heartbeat to go alongside "Miss Virginia". I have been doing a lot of online research and stumbled across this article at another website. This is a 4 part series and it shows how this person built their "White Box" P-38. It turned out very good. Please follow this link and you will see what I mean.

    https://theplasticadvocate.com/2019/10/03/finished-tamiyas-white-box-1-48-p-38f-g-first-thoughts-part-4-the-finale/

    I have also been looking more in detail at what colors were used on the interior of the early P-38's before I start mine. Here's another link that shows there are other people out there who don't think RAF colors are correct.

    https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/early-f-g-p-38-color-questions-t510184.html

    This is just food for thought. Please don't believe everything you read on the internet. Some persons are more accurate in their statements than others, that's all.

    Read what's out there and make up your own informed mind. In the end, it's a hobby and you can paint your plane whatever color you desire.

    Have fun with it.

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    Chuck A. Villanueva said 5 years ago:

    Good point Louis, just to piggyback. You can take artistic license on your own build, that's fine it's your model and we are all ok with that. But just because you decided to stray from what is normal or fact don't make it that the particular airplane you built were ALL made or painted that way when there is visual proof and excellent material that says otherwise. And those are the facts until definitive proof shows oh wow they did use that color on more than one airframe.